Michael13
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"The real search for all people is for God."
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Post by Michael13 on Feb 14, 2005 19:14:52 GMT -5
Yes, Dwayne I agree! There is no way to change the "Is" or that expression of the "Is" within our physical form. My comments refer to the "Wish List" as posted by several individuals.
The 'Wish Lists' all appeared to be focused towards satisfying the needs/desires of the physical/intellectual rather than allowing the "Is" to express through us.
Being nice to others is impossible. It is possible to direct our thoughts/emotions to better our expression of the "Is" (our story). This will reflect to others but only they can decide the outcome.
Do you believe in miracles? If so, how do miracles occur?
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 16, 2005 14:55:32 GMT -5
This artist does not see "being nice to others" as impossible. What is impossible?: of one's intents & actions arising from thoughts to be pleasing, agreeable when appropriate, positive, virtuous, respectable & so on, all of which stem from the word "nice" as presently understood. And no: that which most consider miracles are not so, when understanding is present. Were we to be able to travel back in time several hundred years to flash a sacred Bic lighter, it could likely be considered a miracle, could it not? All "miracles" are not so after they are properly understood. Thanks again ... ~Dwayne~
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Post by Grave on Feb 19, 2005 7:29:21 GMT -5
The 'Wish Lists' all appeared to be focused towards satisfying the needs/desires of the physical/intellectual rather than allowing the "Is" to express through us. Being nice to others is impossible Do you believe in miracles? If so, how do miracles occur? Hi, I was out for a vacation, and when I logged in today I saw there was lot of reading to be done to catch up with you guys. I hope you like it here Micheal 13. I am not very old here myself but I’d like welcome you too. Now, allow me to try and attempt some answers for you. The 'Wish Lists' all appeared to be focused towards satisfying the needs/desires of the physical/intellectual rather than allowing the "Is" to express through us. The wish list is in reference to reality, which is a creation (as supposed) by our mind, us or Is. In this creation, the needs or desires that are then created, come from nowhere but in a way from “Is” itself. Regardless, that these needs are of physical nature or spiritual, for lower Is(us) of either side, it would be treated equally important respectively. However, for the higher “Is” the one in which we are, to quit desires, or to have desires is meaningless, unfelt, and without reaction, and its own creation (without a purpose, because it doesn’t need any). Its very delicate to explain it precisely, and still it can be easily debated over, which will be equally valid (because it doesn’t matter to the True “Is” unlike the Real “Is”). The conclusion is “that there are no conclusions and there is only one conclusion: The Is”<br> The True “Is” is valid for both but we (the so called learners or the “Is” of reality have a nature to “HOLD ON To SUBSTANCE”.. and for this reason we can endlessly talk about the quality(personality) of Is.. though it could always be said.. “Is is all and nothing”<br> And, through Real Is the True Is is constantly expressing, or else that particular Real Is wouldn’t be as existing. What ever we wish or desire, is our role by it that it is playing, not us. And this is what is essence of ONE, and Illusion. And as we are one, the desire to be nice to others comes from the idea of being nice to oneself. There is no one else other than you. You would do what True Is would play through. We can learn to be nice or, keep trying or quit, it doesn’t matter. Matter (the physical) is created when we believe (the source is mind (Is)). If we believe in learning as some believe in ignorance it would exist (for us). In truth, we are learning nothing, we are not discovering, however in reality, we always are. Now isn’t this a miracle in a way? I don’t know if I’ve actually answered you, I just kept on typing and it felt nice. ;D Note: - Dear Senior members, this is what I’ve learned so far. I hope you’d guide me further and correct me from your experience. Much Love Grave
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Post by Grave on Feb 19, 2005 7:32:43 GMT -5
Very true ... Dwayne.. I guess then even breathing is a miracle ..
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Post by Grave on Feb 19, 2005 8:02:25 GMT -5
[/b]- (1)-- Compassion (2)-- Lovingkindness (3)-- Patience (4)-- Endurance (5)-- Cooperation (6)-- Humility (7)-- Trust (8)-- Honesty (9)-- Kindness (10)- Service b)[/i]- ~ To show us to ourselves ~ These answers are given in the moment & will likely change. ~Dwayne~ [/quote] ROGER...
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 19, 2005 14:56:03 GMT -5
Thank you, Grave ... most kind. ~Dwayne~
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Post by Bluebird on Feb 20, 2005 6:39:38 GMT -5
And as we are one, the desire to be nice to others comes from the idea of being nice to oneself. That's exactly what I think, and what I failed to put down in words.
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Post by Grave on Feb 23, 2005 2:07:48 GMT -5
I WISH THAT I GROW OVER THE NEED TO WISH. AND MAY BE THAT'S THE PUPOSE TOO.
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 23, 2005 14:31:08 GMT -5
Grave shouts: "I WISH THAT I GROW OVER THE NEED TO WISH. AND MAY BE THAT'S THE PUPOSE TOO."-Interesting- In the book of Psalms, the 23rd begins ... The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.... yet one would have to want to not want, would they not, for this to be achievable? Am hearing you, Grave, thanks ... ~Dwayne~
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Post by Edina on Feb 23, 2005 17:19:32 GMT -5
Have you people heard of the 'Four Noble Truths'?
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 23, 2005 20:06:58 GMT -5
Edina asks: "Have you people heard of the 'Four Noble Truths'?"
Yes, my friend, this artist has & they are wonderful ...
~ Be impeccable with your word ~
~ Don't make assumptions ~
~ Don't take anything personally ~
~ Always do your best ~[/i]
Are these they to which you refer, please? The 3rd is the one that this man can still find most challenging, to be painfully honest, though it is clear that when one acuses/berates/criticises negatively another person:
* They either were &/or are guilty of what they see (or think they see) in another ... for how else could they possibly suspect?
* Hence, one gives away what they need the most.
~Dwayne~
Edit- to remove redundant brackets
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Post by Edina on Feb 23, 2005 20:21:40 GMT -5
Hmmm, never heard of those.
Actually, I was referring to the ones set forth by the 'Buddha'.
1. Life inevitably involves suffering, is imperfect and unsatisfactory. 2. Suffering originates in our desires. 3. One conquers suffering by conquering desire. 4. One overcomes desire by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 23, 2005 20:27:25 GMT -5
~whoopsies ~
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 23, 2005 20:31:33 GMT -5
AHHHhhhhh ... am familiar with these too & they make much sense (though am unfamiliar with the "8-fold" path). Thanks, Edina. ~Dwayne~
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Post by Grave on Feb 24, 2005 4:14:51 GMT -5
... yet one would have to want to not want, would they not, for this to be achievable?
Am hearing you, Grave, thanks ...
~Dwayne~
YEA, but I'm glad that would be like last wish. And this could also be achieved by demeaning the word "WISH" itself? And demeaning "Achievement" too?
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