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Post by Michael13 on Feb 9, 2005 18:54:01 GMT -5
Why do you believe that being nice to others is would make the world a better place? Illusions taught us that to look behind/beneath reality for your purpose. Why do you suppose that you can intellectually determine your path or your purpose?
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Post by Edina on Feb 9, 2005 19:17:40 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Michael! Are you a new member? I'm not sure if these questions were addressed to me, but I'm gonna answer them anyway. I don't believe in that per se. Every person has the chance to make his/her world a better place. Of course being nice to others doesn't hurt, and although I 'd like to help as many people as I can, they are the only ones who can help themselves. Aren't you the one deciding what you're gonna do in the next minute?
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Post by Edina on Feb 9, 2005 19:31:58 GMT -5
By the way, I don't remember RB ever saying that we have to reject/look beyond reality in order to achieve our goals. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
In my mind, it's the combination of both. You have to see your reality, and things in THEIR reality, with yourself in the picture in order to make them happen/appear in your life.
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Post by Edina on Feb 9, 2005 19:34:29 GMT -5
"You may have to work for them, however." - RB
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Post by Michelle on Feb 9, 2005 22:46:09 GMT -5
<<To those who have material wishes, I've got a few questions. Why don't you get those things? What keeps you back from them? Have you tried (at least) to make these wishes come true? And lastly, do you really need them in order to make you happy?>> I always tell people that if my life were a tv movie right now, I'm in the "early years" before I've "made" it. LOL! I am most certainly on my way to achieving my goals. Nothing is keeping me back. Will it make me happy to achieve my goals? Yes. Do I need it to be happy? Depends on which ones we are talking about. I don't think there is anything wrong with material goals or desires. I'd like a porche, but the lack of one does not make me unhappy. I consider myself to be a very spiritual and philosophical person; however, I don't sit around all day and only ponder the meaning of life. I am human. I have material desires. That's part of being human, why I came down here to play this "game" in this space time. There's an element of fun and accomplishment that I enjoy. I do think there are a lot of people who get caught up in fame, success, wealth. I was just talking about that today with a friend. Those things can't make you happy of course. I think happiness comes from liking who you are and living your life on your own terms. Our society puts so much emphasis on material accomplishments that some people have a hard time distinguishing contentment with empty success. I could have a great job in Hollywood, date the "right" type of guy, and wear the right clothes and be terribly unhappy. There are so many people who live that very life and can't fathom why they feel sad. Material success doesn't create happiness (although it can get you a really sweet ride). For me, I have goals, but they are based on my own desires, my own yearning, not because I am following what society (or anyone) says will make me happy. Just like Godiva chocolate makes me smile, I eat it because I want to, not because society ranks them as the best tasting chocolate (although they are and I better get some for Valentine's day). I believe that what we want out of life is for a purpose. My writing talent and my desire to be successful is there, perhaps, because my words could inspire someone? I'm not saying I'm not vain. A writing professor once told me that the desire for fame is the desire for strangers to love you. LOL. True. Can't say I really feel that way though, but maybe. Take care, Michelle TheMaams.com
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Post by Michelle on Feb 9, 2005 22:53:42 GMT -5
<<In my mind, it's the combination of both. You have to see your reality, and things in THEIR reality, with yourself in the picture in order to make them happen/appear in your life. >> True. It's about focus. Don't "think" you can do something, "know" you can. I'll be danged if you don't eventually see it! Anyone ever manifested the Illusions "blue feather" thing just for fun? I manifested it once. Saw a girl wearing a blue feather boa on tv that day, then the exact same one in a store. Michelle TheMaams.com
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Post by Bluebird on Feb 10, 2005 6:54:54 GMT -5
Why do you suppose that you can intellectually determine your path or your purpose? Why wouldn't I? You never know.. And somehow it makes much more sense, the reason for why I exist is not because someone makes up my destiny before I'm born and plays with me while I don't know what's going to happen next. That doesn't sound logical - at least in my mind. Why do I believe that being nice to others would make the world a better place? Just like Edina said, it won't do anyone harm. I'm an individualist and I try not to judge other people for the actions they made, but somehow it's very hard with people who just have a tendency to be nasty all the time. Respect and love are so important to me, and I have not acquired a serenity which would let me be untouched if someone else acts nasty towards me. It IS one of my goals, but ah, so hard...
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Post by Bluebird on Feb 10, 2005 6:58:54 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything wrong with material goals or desires. I'd like a porche, but the lack of one does not make me unhappy. I consider myself to be a very spiritual and philosophical person; however, I don't sit around all day and only ponder the meaning of life. I am human. EXACTLY what I think, too. I guess it's all about setting your priorities right: To have something material would be very nice, and an addition which in the best case even aids one's spiritual development (think of RB who in the end had so much money he could just fly airplanes, think, write and come up with wonderful visions). The important thing is not to bet one's whole life for material things, not to sell your soul to the god of material desires. To know what comes before a new house, car or a scarf. And well, chocolate is in a league of it's own. I mean - it plays with our love hormones, so who could ever think rationally about chocolate? ;D
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 11, 2005 10:08:57 GMT -5
Chocolate good. Money good. Love[/i] of money bad. Good discussion in my opinion. Thanks ... ~Dwayne~
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Michael13
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Post by Michael13 on Feb 13, 2005 12:41:09 GMT -5
Same ole song, folks! All your answers continue from this physical experience as your reality. There is NOTHING you can attain on the physical plane that is of your true nature. The things you attract into your life are only reflections and do not exist. How can you be the Judge to detemine what it is that can be classified as being nice to someone? Their story, the one that they are creating, may be destoryed by an act that others consider kind. Isn't it more important to focus on the outcome of your story. Besides, can you really change another person's story? Don Shimoda taught that everyone lives in their own world and that they choose whether to allow the actions, whether good or evil, to impact their world. Let go of those bottom lying rocks!!
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 13, 2005 13:02:14 GMT -5
Michael suggests: " All your answers continue from this physical experience as your reality."Hardly, Michael, & with respect: my answers to the questions exceed these illusions of reality (3rd post on the 1st page of this thread, sir). All of my answers point to the outcome "of the story", as your describe it. And no sir: we cannot change anyone else's story. Nor can we change anyone else. Nor are we able to even change that which we really are, aside from the illusions projected thereof. Any attempt to do so is to seek to move away from that which we truly are, is it not? And in this case, am agreeing with your Donald example as spot on. Letting go, indeed! Thank you. ~Dwayne~
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Post by Edina on Feb 13, 2005 13:09:04 GMT -5
Nice reply Dwayne. I couldn't agree more!
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 13, 2005 13:15:43 GMT -5
Most kind, Edina. And thank you for tidying up that duplicate post several minutes ago. ~Dwayne~
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Post by Edina on Feb 13, 2005 13:19:42 GMT -5
Not a problem Sir!
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Post by Bluebird on Feb 13, 2005 16:07:24 GMT -5
All your answers continue from this physical experience as your reality. There is NOTHING you can attain on the physical plane that is of your true nature. I agree, at least to a certain extent. Suppose we forget about material needs and consider acts of other people towards us, help, kindness and understanding? Those are things you can get from this physical plane that won't go away. Those are things that stay with us from plane to plane. I can't, but if the other option is to be unkind, I'd rather be kind and take my risks with it. With all respect, I believe that to only focus on the outcome of my own story I would be ignorant and selfish. Sometimes selfish is good, but kindness, respect and listening will teach me much more if love is what it's all about. I do not want to critisize your opinion. I'm merely reflecting mine from yours. And no, I do not believe I can change your story.
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