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Post by Prism Eyes on Feb 19, 2005 16:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by prism eyes on Feb 19, 2005 20:31:52 GMT -5
Okaaay!
The same garden that never went away? You mean the protected nursery that Adam and Eve left because they decided to explore once they became self-conscious? That garden? Or the other one, you know, where supposedly FE+MALE-HUMAN made some disastrous mistake, for which all of humanity has been suffering poor self-esteem ever since?
Which garden, please?
Whaddaya think??
What caused this amazing leap in human evolution- self-awareness? Were they being monitored, carefully nurtured up to the point of this major unveiling of existent capacity?
Hmmm..... Must have been confusing, don't ya think, I mean suddenly confronted with all kinds of opposites, a whole composed of both +/- = whole, good AND evil =whole. Just try to separate those guys out in manifested reality. Heck, most of my life I've spent trying to pull these guys apart. When I prayed for holiness, my reality in daily activities was fraught with its opposite. Were they "educated" some, or were they left to their own devices? Non-interference? Let's use our 'mangination here some, suspecting that something was lost or distorted in the re-telling of the history of this event. Let's see what we can come up with. Lizanne
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Post by lizanne333 on Feb 19, 2005 20:57:28 GMT -5
Sorry, messed up again. For some reason when I went to post reply from lizanne333, it wouldn't let me do it, but when I typed in prism eyes, it worked. Sooooo the last lengthy retort was mine Any clues as to what I have been doing wrong? Lizanne333
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 21, 2005 11:09:24 GMT -5
Lizanne offers: "The story told was metaphoric - a visual expression of my observation of individuals, (myself included) who have attached their identity so strongly to a belief system external to themselves - deriving their sense of self-worth and value from a concept other than themselves. In that process, they give up their power ... to a set ofbeliefs agreed, and imposed upon by a majority.It has taken me years to break away from such ideology."Spot on, Lizanne ... indeed: All is within ; Nothing (i.e.- No thing) is without. If we do not go for it within, there where will we go for it? Seems many of us first grow up & then unlearn so very much of what we are taught (programmed).Lizanne continues ... "It started when recogniz(ing) that my experience was in conflict with what others professed to believe ... Could tell by the words that they used that they had not internalized the concept, but spoke in the words of another, without understanding the meaning of that which they spoke. Kind of a parroting ..." Can easily relate to your experiences, friend. Being a sheep is expected ... even demanded ... of us all by "society", no matter which the human-created political boundaries on Earth we speak of. Lizanne expands: "Was born out of the box ... think out of the box ... tried so hard to adjust my being to fit in the box so that I wouldn't suffer rejection as a child, to no avail ... Would have done anything, just to feel accepted as a part of the group. Now, years later, I understand the value of the different perspective I offer, love it, and offer it to others ... (&) through the process of looking within ... discover who they truly are. ... This process can be very frightening ... Attached to that fear are admonitions, such as, "be careful, satan will surely get you if you stray," and the resistance and conflict begins."Am thinking that you, as this artist, were born with a "right" brain, compared to most who seem to be born with a "left"-dominant brain. We were trained to use the left hemisphere of our brains while growing up, though the right side of our noodle does not completely submit. Ultimately, the goal is balance between brain hemispheres - holistic, in practice - that we may quiet our "computer" so the softer, gentler impressions of our "heart" may be heard as well as listened to & applied. Again: am pleased you have chosen life over fear. Lizanne adds: "It is biblical, you know. "He that clings to his life shall lose it.......He that (loses his life) shall save it"An apt analogy, thanks. Likewise, truth is good to quote, no matter the source. Lizanne: "The most profound eye/soul awakening experience beyond my initial born-again experience, was ... "Johnathon Livingston Seagull.""Illusions" had the same effect on this man. Lizanne asks: "I have heard that Richard Bach disassociated himself from the movie, is that so?"I do not know ... though have heard the same of his displeasure with some of the movie. The book is so much better. May the upcoming movie of "Illusions" be to Richard's satisfaction. Lizanne goes on ... "Genetically, within the individual, there may be a time-sensitive prohibition, (played out in dogmatic religious belief) preventing, for the safety of the individual psyche, the expansion of consciousness beyond that which the individual can currently handle. If so, look only when it occurs to you to do so."Interesting. Am admitting to a "safety valve" of sorts which seems to prevent "overload". As you referrence the Christian bible, here is a paraphrase which relates: "Nothing has overtaken you but such is common to mankind. Creator is faithful & will not allow you to be tempted beyond your power to endure, but along with the temptation will provide you with an avenue of escape so that you may endure it."Lizanne concludes: "... would hope you or another will respond, and "play" with me, in other words bounce ideas off the wall, carry and pass the torch of human consciousness forward, and with understanding, contributing to the spiritual evolution of humanity- hence, ultimately spilling over into the "natural and spontaneous" evolution of manifested human behaviour in time and space."Well said, Lizanne. A "critical mass" of light consciousness is approaching. All well & good. Your heart appears to be in the right place in my estimation & may you see through the trap that Donald fell into in "Illusions", namely: offering whatever he could to assist others spiritually ... yet believing for a time that his happiness depended on how others responded to his gifts/offerings/truths. May your path be straight & evident to you, Lizanne. If your seachings described within your posts are "playing" to you then, indeed, we will play. Thank you. Blessings ... ~Dwayne~ Edit[/u]- grammar correction
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Post by shucks lizanne333 on Feb 23, 2005 17:13:29 GMT -5
Thank-you Dwayne for the time spent reviewing and editing ;D my work.
I am basically ignorant as to the correctness of submitting information to any forum, as you can see.
You, however, seem to "see through" my confusion well enough to grasp the meaning of the post.
Joke:, How many posts does it take to make a star???
As you can see, I am rapidly evolving, as we all are.
Here you go!
Current Edge:
Every particle in the universe at any point in time and space that has experienced the same state (of being) as any other particle, continually communicates throughout eternity, the information of that state with every other particle.
As a particle "grows" and/or evolves into a system (conjoined particles), the system itself communicates all information about itself to itself as well as with all other systems in the universe.
Gestalt?
As the system breaks down into its original particles, the information of that deteoriation is communicated to other like systems.
Question:
Do systems that are coming into cohesion receive the information of their eventual disintegration from the recycled original particles from which they coalesced, or do the particles of the shared "consciousness" (information) of older existing systems in the process of decline communicate the information of that decline to the "younger", forming systems?
Hmmm Maybe both?
How does that apply to ourselves, also a complex aggregation of informed particles, a system that continually communicates its' current state to itself and to others, instantaneously, via this invisioned informational consciousness?
Do we unwittingly and I might add ignorantly prophesize the destruction of ourselves to our children and our children's children?
If so, would one way be through the continual REVIEWING (communication), of our history-the violence of our Fathers' (please note the gender) to our sons and daughters?
Why, in the evolutionary shared consciousness of man would we sow the seed of our individual destruction in the very original garden itself?
Do our cells (dying and originating at the same time) contain within them information of our system's demise?
Or is it through our own ignorance that we "brainwash" ourselves for some reason to believe in the destruction of our "system"?
The light of that brainwashing, connects somewhere within us with previous genetic information handed down from generations past and a powerful connection occurs, lights flash, and the organized system has reafirmed its demise!
Now I know I have heard a rumor, a myth, and I am sure you have too, mankind does not need to physically die, that the transition from this form in this dimension to the next can be as easy as the morphing of a butterfly through a cacoon, from a catepillar.
I say, and it must come to pass, will unfold, if you will, that the magnificent error of the continual image of the seed of our destruction WILL COME TO THE LIGHT as an ILLUSION and through the understanding of this distortion will spontaneously fall away.
Gosh, I sure love that word, spontaneously! Time will tell.
Excellent cutting edge read:
"Science and the Akashic Field" An Integral Theory of Everything Ervin Laszlo
You can hear Dr. Laszlo speak about his theory FREE! Go to unknowncountry.com Whitley Streiber's (remember him?-Communion) where he interviews Dr. Laszlo, and many others. You can pay your bills and listen at the same time. Heh, Heh! Pay mine while your at it!
Did you know the original definition of the word GENIUS=DIVINE SPIRIT?
To the offspring of The Richard Bach concept I salute you! Hail!
Tired, must go for now. Lizanne
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Post by God on Feb 23, 2005 17:51:18 GMT -5
No. Wrong track.
***edit: you've got that one right. ~ Edina
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Post by Edina on Feb 23, 2005 18:15:36 GMT -5
Hey God! Why don't you take a chill pill and come back later? It's not that serious.
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Post by Edina on Feb 23, 2005 18:45:20 GMT -5
Hmm, another Hungarian... Where aren't we?? Thanks for the recommendation Liz! Will definitely look him up.
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 23, 2005 19:25:55 GMT -5
Hello again, Lizanne. You bring up one of the single-most fascinating scientific discoveries that this artist has come across in his life, namely: "Every particle in the universe at any point in time and space that has experienced the same state (of being) as any other particle, continually communicates throughout eternity, the information of that state with every other particle."My understanding at this point is that this was recently discovered by human research to be so, though under specific conditions (which I'm unfamiliar with)
though this discovery is far reaching (pun unintended). Could be wrong. Am wrong a lot. You also offer: "I say, and it must come to pass, will unfold, if you will, that the magnificent error of the continual image of the seed of our destruction WILL COME TO THE LIGHT as an ILLUSION and through the understanding of this distortion will spontaneously fall away."Makes sense to me. We are speaking again of the "critical mass" principle, it would seem. You've asked many good questions & this man will be thinking on them, thanks so much ... With respect, ~Dwayne~
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 23, 2005 19:52:45 GMT -5
And "God" said:
"Dwayne, you're f#%*ing boring. Grow up, and cease and desist from interfering with the people's growth. For Lizanne- No. Wrong tack."
~ We give away what we need the most ~[/i]
One clear difference between you & my self, "God", is that you hide in anonymity & this man hides from no one. You flame my "interference" yet you tell another in your next line what is. Interesting.
You are forgiven, "God". And please stop telling others what to do. Free moral agency, remember? Indeed ...
~Dwayne~
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shucks again lizanne
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Post by shucks again lizanne on Feb 23, 2005 22:39:09 GMT -5
Whoa!
Disturbed a hornet's nest. Ouch!
"God", if you can settle down a bit, I would appreciate a well-thought response. How else does a novice grow but by accumulating as many perspectives as possible, ingesting them and offering her own, colored from that experience?
Would truly like to know what tack-track or path you are traversing, God, really.
Lizanne
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Post by Edina on Feb 24, 2005 10:10:05 GMT -5
If you wish to make easier distinguishing between quotes and posts, [ quote ] you can quote the other by copying the post between these codes, without any spaces. [ /quote ] There are many more fun codes and features like this that you can use on this message board, and don't have to remember or memorize any of them. This one for quoting is just the second icon from the right that appears above the message window, when you intend to post. In order to see them, you just have to be logged in. ;D
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 25, 2005 12:16:02 GMT -5
As Edina points out, the "quote" function is available along with others that one may manually type in to spruce up forum posts, should you so desire. There is also the commands to make type bold which is done by placing the desired text between " [ b ] " & " [ / b ] ", as well as making your text italics by placing it within " [ i ] " & " [ / i ] " (Done so without the all of the spaces between the characters). If you simply click the tags above then the appropriate tags will be placed within your response & all one need do is type in between them. Also: when responding to a post that you like the style of the text: click on the " quote" button in the upper right & then you will see how the member was able to display their text so. [glow=blue,2,300] Cool, eh? [/glow][/i] They may also be used to feign a misteak mistake ... or even stress[/i][/b] something. Lots of stuff to create with here, as Edina says. Hope you have fun with it! Above all: the " Preview" button has become my favorite. ~Dwayne~
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Post by Edina on Feb 25, 2005 14:14:07 GMT -5
Thank you Dwayne. You seem to know more about this than I do.
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 25, 2005 16:02:58 GMT -5
Is great fun learning this these stuff operations of your our forum. One may be mighty creative by experimenting & then clicking "Preview" to see how it appears. ~Dwayne~
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