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Sept 10, 2002 12:48:26 GMT -5
Post by Penelope on Sept 10, 2002 12:48:26 GMT -5
Dear What@...,
Thank you for seeing things so clearly.
I don't know... When heard about the 32-year-old new "soul mate" I realized that RB is a just male who just met a younger female... and she was so beautiful and sexy wasn't she ?? - Why would you think Leslie Parrish had asked him never mention her name again ?!?
I don't believe in RB's personality any more, or indeed I think I see it more clearly now. This is something you find often among "artists", the key word being narcissism.
He's someone immature "adult" with an egotistic and self-loving character, someone able to break any family for his personal freedom. And we let him do that because we believe in this freedom, we love it as ours. Indeed, as I dare to criticize him I am a dead weight, am I not?
I used to love his early books - they ARE good and supremely well written - but now I hear the narrator's voice as a never-grown-up's childish egocentricity.
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Sept 10, 2002 13:00:43 GMT -5
Post by Penelope on Sept 10, 2002 13:00:43 GMT -5
And, he fucked half the world and left his "soulmate" and got married as soon as he left her? He is an Artist. He takes his Art out of everyone near him. Romantic? He has been an interesting writer, but he has diminished in this career at the same time as in his private life: writes about pets and has a new little p*t-wife... Everyone gets elder though, that’s human.
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Sept 11, 2002 4:17:24 GMT -5
Post by Marika on Sept 11, 2002 4:17:24 GMT -5
Hi what!!!!!!!!!!! I feel you are enranged about RB'S divorce. That anger would be justified, had it been leslie writing those posts, when she herself agreed who are we to question.Its their choice!!!!!!!!!! COOL DOWN!!!!!!!! It's his choice, pal. He met a younger woman, and wanted to start all over.
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Mar 10, 2003 13:29:46 GMT -5
Post by Edina on Mar 10, 2003 13:29:46 GMT -5
Wow, some of you people are pretty judgmental...
"All we see of someone at any moment is a snapshot of their life, there in riches or poverty, in joy or despair. Snapshots don't show the million decisions that led to that moment." - just a quote from Running from Safety.
Do we really know, why and how RB left his family ?? Like the old Indian proverb says, DO NOT judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins!
Life can throw you into the most unthinkable situations, especially if we don't live it consciously. I see life has been kind to some of you and didn't have to learn these lessons. Consider yourselves lucky!
And judging someone else's reality, when everybody lives their own, makes it hard in lack of experience or knowledge.
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Mar 27, 2003 17:53:12 GMT -5
Post by Alan Kyo on Mar 27, 2003 17:53:12 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Bach, I'm thinking that you may read these postings just to smirk at people who think that they know you. So here; Check out Ning Li's research. Go flying buddy. Now the universe is the limit.
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Apr 2, 2003 3:11:53 GMT -5
Post by Smitty on Apr 2, 2003 3:11:53 GMT -5
"facts are the enemy of truth" Don Quioxte. The facts of RB life may not stack up to his words but whos do? It doesn't change that his books and the truth thy helped me find have drastically IMPROVED my life and increased my happines with me.
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Apr 3, 2003 13:24:22 GMT -5
Post by Kilroy on Apr 3, 2003 13:24:22 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm going to post this, but after reading all these posts I wanted to throw my .02 in.
I started reading RB, as did many, with JLS. I searched out his books, and attempted to comprehend what ended up being simple principals that anyone can follow, if they choose. I've also read other things from "Conversations with God" to "Messages from Michael". to "The Celestine Prophecy"... So, what underlying truth did I come away with from all this? Something I could've gotten from one line of Shakespeare and saved a ton of time & money. "To thine own self be true". It sometimes seems that personal accountability is left out of this equation, basically that ANYTHING we do is a valid choice, as long as a choice is made. But truly, we are the ones ULTIMATELY responsible for the choices we make. Whether they have a positive or negative impact on others is part of what WE must live with. There are many levels of souls walking around on this earth. Some care about the consequences of their actions, some do not. If you believe in Reincarnation (or whatever you want to call it) and that this earth is a proving ground for the human soul, then this is valid. In fact, although I'm not sure I believe this is a "Universal Truth" or not, the belief that we are in a movie of our own design, (with pre-chosen courses of action with which we hope to learn all experiences in an effort to elevate to a higher level), is the ONLY explanation I've EVER heard that adequately "explains" everything that goes on on this planet. (OK, there is one other explanation- chaos, but I know enough about Quantum Physics to not believe in chaos, plus it scares me). OK, what does any of this have to do with this thread? Only this- If you claim to have been helped by RBs theories, then how can you claim ANYONE else's opinion of ANYONE is invalid, or claim to change someone's mind about something? In RBs universe, this makes no sense. You must have your journey, everyone else has their own e-ticket ride of their own invention. what@aol.com's individual journey brought him(her?) here, to try to grieve over the loss of an ideal in his(her) life. Anger is a natural step of grief, is it not? Whether RB is a fraud or not is actually only important if you want it to be, and if you change the course of your life or choices as a result.
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"When you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth your while."
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Apr 4, 2003 11:22:02 GMT -5
Post by rokclmr on Apr 4, 2003 11:22:02 GMT -5
Edina and Kilroy:
Well written posts. I'm glad you decided to add them to the conversation. And, as the (almost) year has gone by since I last posted on this topic, I agree wholeheartedly.
What's (and everyone else's) opinion of RB is(was) shaped by their own life experiences, and who are we to judge them on what their life has shown them to be their truths? And, for that matter, why judge RB? He did not set himself up to be an all-knowing Master. He just wrote some books, stating truths that he found during his life. It just happens that a number of people agree (and disagree) with them.
Relax... life's too short to be spent judging everyone else's actions. Go live life, and paint your universe in the colors with which you want to surround yourself. Leave others to paint theirs in their manner.
IMHO, Rokclmr
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Jun 27, 2003 23:07:41 GMT -5
Post by psobet on Jun 27, 2003 23:07:41 GMT -5
I tend to be a little behind. I read Bridge Across Forever etc. years ago, but just realized Richard and Leslie are divorced. I have to admit, I'm startled and wondering...(thus, why I found you all tonight).
But, I think there is one point missing in this discussion - the way of creation. Ideas, stories, books, music are floating around the universe wanting (trying to find a way) to be born. A writer is taking dictation more than anything. Whenever I'm overwhelmed by the amount of ideas I have for stories, I'm comforted knowing that if I don't write it someone else eventually will.
Whatever Richard's life, the important thing is the Idea or Possibility of Soulmate (for example) found it's way into the world through a "medium" so that x person at x time will be given the hope, the growth, whatever he/she needs in the moment.
There is something divine, magical, mysterious, and personal going on here. These beautiful stories were written for you and they come from a much larger place than the person who happen to notice them first and get them on paper. They are gifts that came to you in a particular moment for a reason. Enjoy.
honey in the heart, psobet
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Jun 29, 2003 13:33:53 GMT -5
Post by Niteflyr on Jun 29, 2003 13:33:53 GMT -5
Hi all...just found this forum... pretty amazing the range of reaction to someone like a Richard Bach...no wonder his site is no longer... personally being a pilot and struggling with the concepts of love and soulmates...and tending to "paint outside the lines" myself....I can relate to what he writes...I don't see him as an icon.. just a fellow planet traveler... Niteflyr aka Alan Q
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Jul 4, 2003 17:24:59 GMT -5
Post by MizCarole on Jul 4, 2003 17:24:59 GMT -5
Hi, all - I'm enjoying your posts after a long absence.
psobet, your #38 was really great. You reminded me of all the times (I'm a painter) I have said there were a million paintings in my heart, ready to be born. I haven't painted for awhile, but just remembering that old feeling when reading your post makes me want to bring something forth that Already Is again.
Like all of you, I was shocked that RB and Leslie split -- then I had the insight that his books didn't have to be (nor were they) TRUE to life -- they were, after all, Novels. If he and Leslie had the Perfect Dream in them, well good for them that they achieved that if only in books. And as has been written here, who knows but that they are still ongoing in a different dimension? In fact, I do belive they are, if they ever loved each other. God bless both of them. Mizcarole
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Jul 12, 2003 10:51:28 GMT -5
Post by forgotten on Jul 12, 2003 10:51:28 GMT -5
Well said, rokclmr. Live and let live, I say. None of us are in a position to judge anyone else and unless we have walked in their shoes, we cannot begin to understand their reasons for living their lives as they do. Me personally, I have no desire to do so. I can't spend my life not wanting others to judge me and then turn around and do that to them. Once again, it comes back to personal choices. So I chose not to judge people,( and would like them to do the same for me in an ideal world), and I chose to accept everyone's right to live their life as they see fit. Whether or not I think they're right or wrong, or they think I'm right or wrong, is immaterial. If the way I live my life feels right in my heart and my gut , then to me, that's what matters. I enjoy Richard Bach's books very much, and as you say, he just wrote some books. I know myself that I have changed a lot in the last few years and I for one am glad I didn't write down what my thought processes were then to give someone the chance to throw it back at me, lol. But then again, that was then and this is now. We grow,we change, we grow again. That's what happens when you try to seek out your personal truths and search for your sense of self. He's a human being, just like the rest of us, and has free will, just like the rest of us. Kay
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Jul 21, 2003 22:12:44 GMT -5
Post by aneagle on Jul 21, 2003 22:12:44 GMT -5
choices; hmm, sometimes it seems you cannot win either way.
what would you do in the following circumstances:
an intruder enters your home and heads towards your daughter's room? you've only a few seconds to decide..do you take his life to prevent harm to your love and joy?
you are young, dumb, and poor...you give up your child so they may have a better life then you are able to give them.
seems simple to judge; but I'd prefer not to be in those shoes.
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Jul 24, 2003 15:14:37 GMT -5
Post by The Wild Card on Jul 24, 2003 15:14:37 GMT -5
Woahhhhhh!!!!!!! A tad judgemental me thinks. Born again Christian are we. Please, let me hand you back your dummy. there there.
hey; throughout his work Bach has expressed his discomfort over the institution of life long marriage (between only 2 people) - which is primarily a Christian code which has never been supporting of women. In the Pagan sense, marriage, or handfasting is about a bond which is renewed every year, without the social conditioning of our present era to suffocate and reppress souls in a stifling conformity they can neither suffer or live with. I cheer him for following his bliss.
His divorce from Leslie does not reduce his ideas one bit; it shows him to be somebody who , realising his book sales would drop, still went ahead and followed his dreams (although I'm sure nobody would hold up his 'Otters' series as rivetting stuff - only a one year old could appreciate these Otter stories for what they are meant for - ). This 'soul mate for life balony' is stuff Christian sales people have been pedalling for over a millenia - and Richard saw thru the illusion - only to marry again. It shows to me that he recognised a long time ago that the people in our lifetimes change, and the only constant is our relationship to the 'spirit', whatever name or label we give to it. Yet he plays within the conventions of the planet earth we all live in.
Before you start throwing stones at him, just because you've read his son's book, how can you judge his relationship with his first wife by a second hand account , of a situation you weren't even party to?
I'd love an answer.
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Jul 24, 2003 15:20:02 GMT -5
Post by The Wild Card on Jul 24, 2003 15:20:02 GMT -5
my msg was aimed at What@aol.com
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