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Post by lokistail on Apr 21, 2005 14:04:58 GMT -5
Hi Lizanne, "Are you saying that I am thinking too much and just not being?" I hope I'm not saying you are doing anything. Are you saying it? Although I do quite like what the Zen crew say... 'Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.' Have a or two from me, I got plenty spare. Fun indeed!
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 21, 2005 14:51:37 GMT -5
No sir,
I am saying that I need to learn from you!
Not sure if you understood me correctly!
If you will, please re-read and see If there is anything you can do here to help ME. Here, the one sending the message, not you
Lizanne
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Post by lokistail on Apr 21, 2005 16:11:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry Lizanne, I really didn't mean it to come out that way, I wasn't trying to be obtuse or self-centred. I'm new here and not used to interaction, most of the time I just play in my own head (which is generally more than enough for me...). What I was trying to do by quoting your own question back at you was to point out that (I hope) I am not saying you're doing anything, it is not my place to say whether you are doing anything right or wrong, or pass comment at all. I am certainly not an authority on anything, even something as apparently simple as just being myself. But it appeared to me your comment was so eloquent and insightful (to the extent that I did wonder if you were super-enlightened and just toying with me), I thought you had spotted for yourself something you wanted to play with and explore/work on. Without in any way wishing to come across as facetious, honestly, if you re-read your own mail, and notice what you must have been thinking to ask those questions in that way, you may discover you don't need any help from anybody. But please feel free to come back to me on it if you wish(although I'm in the UK so may be on a different timescale, it will be tomorrow here before I'm online again). Once again, my apologies. (but it is still Fun, isn't it? )
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Post by Grave on Apr 22, 2005 1:20:24 GMT -5
I am Good too, thanks. I love every bit of our conversation here, thanks to you Lokistail I absolutely agree with the acceptance part, but how would I realize that this has not been out of "EGO" .. goto keep a check. I would never know that I have learnt "Acceptance" from "honest learning as I grow" OR "the Ignorance - gently ushered". Complex, and then here, I can let it be "it just is" or "enquire". Nevertheless, I truly acknowledge the result "Acceptance"..(I guess if only the result is important..) You remind me of my classmate here Grave
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Post by Grave on Apr 22, 2005 1:22:06 GMT -5
Hi guys, Grave, Is this why the Buddha is Laughing??? Lizanne ;d at least I did , while Buddha might be having several other reasons. All in all I can conclude that I can't conclude May be the best way then is to do things that we can (imagine) to conclude. As Lokistail wisely suggests "to think about the next day" I like the idea. Taking a break/experimentation should not be a problem.. [/i]I recall : "When I was that, I was afraid to change into this, and now when I am this, I am afraid to change back to that"[/color][/b][/i] Could be that I just imagine growth, but living with same fear of change(that keeps changing the mask). The Title of fear 'Changing Back to...' remains same in either case. And I guess this is to what Lokistal refers to as "It JUST IS, to let it be(don't involve) _________________________________________________ The change that is really, but not truly really, is hell? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could give "it just is" a fair try because there is no possession that I have (imagine) can be lost. Btw I did live by "it just is" principle for couple of months... and I also notice (if it is)..I Am "None"... Nevertheless, some of the best learning comes from “it just is”<br> ;D Grave (Sounding foolish for the heck of it)
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 22, 2005 10:40:39 GMT -5
lockhiswhat says: Is this not the glorious journey! Should we expose the "illusion" created for us by understanding, realizing, that we are the creators of this incredible "illusion", for the purpose of understanding who we are, what it means to be a spirit in a human body. My concern is once the "illusion is exposed", we have not the ability of "not knowing" any longer. So, as I need to learn this most , I think I shall attempt to enjoy the illusion of not knowing awhile longer, contemplate my "knavel" somemore, remain a baby, cause guys, at the last trumpet, it WILL all be revealed. Then the ILLUSION will be over! And it is soon! Whether that be a personal realization or uni-uni-universal dunno yet. Time (thank-God) will tell, won't it! Thanks for bearing with me. And now I understand the TRUE INTENT behind the word CONFIDENCE MAN=CON ARTIST! Truly, a God centered human, can in fact hold the hearts and secrets, and souls of another within/her/him, with love and respect and then DISAPPEAR, and reappear as another IDENTITY. But the discerning ONES looking for the return of their Beloved, have found HIM re-incarnated in another identity! Thank-God you all have come back to me!, and each other. I have yardwork to do, and maybe pay some bills, and maybe get a job, and maybe teach, and maybe learn, and maybe be here on this planet, and maybe enjoy it. It is the roughest journey of my life. Would rather do this here, and chase clouds in the sky, and hopefully, there will still be time to do that too. I can feel the wind, smell the ocean in my face and I see the line of the magnificent one, as the waters part before it! That too, there will be time? Lizanne
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Post by lokistail on Apr 22, 2005 12:37:59 GMT -5
Everything In This Head May Be Wrong.
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 22, 2005 12:44:17 GMT -5
Luckisstill says:
Dearest One,
There are things I know, there are places I have been but this is not the place to discuss these things, as it is not yet for public viewing.
Lizanne
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Post by lokistail on Apr 22, 2005 13:03:02 GMT -5
Honesty at last, thank you for that.
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 22, 2005 13:15:48 GMT -5
Luckisalways says:
I have "known" for a long while, but in conflict as my posts indicate.
I have not trusted, in fact, thought it was too outlandish, "who me?" Could it be? No, it is just my magination. No, it is just my ego
But then, and I have been there, and there is no doubt the mission is "clear" Making effort now to find venue The one venue "provided" The right "venue and then probably must change identity, you know morph or something. But it needs to happen soon, as time/space as it is now observed is a changin'
Don't you feel it baby Don't you feel it comin' Don't you feel it honey' Just sit tight and be' Follow the letter of the law Until all is completed As every lamb must have an opportunityto see before the veil falls completely.
And then again, it may just be for me Dunno, we'll see
Lizanne
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Post by lokistail on Apr 22, 2005 13:49:15 GMT -5
*embarrassed* Ah well, it would appear I've let clever people make a fool of me again.
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 22, 2005 14:00:28 GMT -5
Loveistall says:
Not as embarrased as I will be if this is just an expansion of my awareness.
Oh well, and if it is, then it will be to share.
I am so glad you are here with us, have been calling your name, and known you were observing.
Lizanne
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Post by lokistail on Apr 22, 2005 23:11:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the (eventual) welcome, Lizzaroonie, but I don't think I'm stopping. I only called in to try and raise a smile amongst the intensity, and although I've learned a lot by the erudite way you display your superior knowledge, it's still a bit serious and fierce for me - I don't do Grown-Up very well... Besides, you're keepin the Secrets to yourself (is enlightenment a bit like hiding your box of chocolates?) (See, I can't help it...) Okay, back to the cave for another twenty years (there's still this 'Is' thing to puzzle out, 'Isn't' there...?) Love 'n Light, Lokisbum PS: Thanks for the table tennis Grave
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 22, 2005 23:23:22 GMT -5
Dear Lockistall,
I'm the one leaving.
My apologies, for upsetting you!
Please stay.
Never meant to offend you.
But for myself, I have just about had it.
Is this real enough for you? What does erudite mean?
What does superior knowledge mean.
Sorry if I alluded to things I had no right to allude to. Sometimes, flashes come when I am here writing.
Also, I AM on a Mission from God Now, I am not only erudite, and lording superior knowledge over everyone, but I am also some kind of crazy woman who thinks she is a prophet.
Things for me have to play out a little bit further, as doubt, eruditeness, and responsibility to others comes into forplay.
Truly, Have a hard time with those who come as one, and leave and come back as another also!
Lizanne
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 22, 2005 23:55:13 GMT -5
Lizanne Said:
It must be a full moon tonight!
And also, for you Lockistill, You know that I care about you!
But if you are going away and planning to come back again as someone else, make sure your cover is foolproof!
And remember, that which we write, and that which we read is definitely the writer and the reader and no one else. 'Cause there is no one else present but the reader and the writer, write? Our reactions and overreactions are our own!
Intensity, Well, you haven't seen nothing yet! Lizanne
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