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Post by Webmaster on Jan 18, 2002 17:54:46 GMT -5
[shadow=teal,left,300]Conversations With God[/shadow] This book, or actually these books (as a whole) I find far more amazing than anything I've read so far by Richard Bach. I'd like to talk to other people who have read CWG, see what they think and how it affected their lives.
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Post by LL on Jan 22, 2002 12:21:40 GMT -5
I don't find them "far" more amazing than anything RB has written. More descriptive, perhaps, but I think the "amazement" factor is equal for me. I, in fact, read the CWG 1,2,3 before I even found RB(illusions, Jonathen). Illusions seemed to allow me to take the concepts learned in CWG and see how they could be applied. It opened my mind to the huge possibilities available. Okay your turn Webmaster. LL
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Post by Webmaster on Jan 23, 2002 2:48:20 GMT -5
My Turn! Well... I'm not sure anything in this world has ever broght me as much comfort and inner peace as the simple act of reading CWG. It made me undersand how "little" and meaningless were the things that I allowed to make me miserable. It taught me to appreciate every little thing that I have. I can go on like this for hours, telling the things that it taught me, but more than just that, it gave me desire to live when I had little left.
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Post by LL on Jan 23, 2002 7:20:22 GMT -5
I agree, CWG brought a lot of inner peace and appreciation. Did you ever go to a CWG discussion group? They are very, very interesting. I go to 2 right now...one discussing book 1 and the other book 3. Each group meets every other week. It is fun to see how different people interpret some of the concepts and further how they apply them in their lives. There are light bulbs going on throughout the meetings for just about every one attending. Highly recommended, if you can find one. Whats the one thing that stands out in your mind as the "most important" thing you learned from CWG? I know that there are many but which one really stood out when you first "got" it? For me, right now anyway, it was the defining of "wanting" and how you cannot have what you want. I used to want everything and now I want nothing. LL
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Post by allspry@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2002 11:34:42 GMT -5
we all will be given the instruments that will help us fly through this life- if we are willing to do what it takes. most times, that will never include spoonfeeding... which is what, i think, cwg seethes. the dialouge in cwg is sometimes elementary- maybe not for the advanced soul. this is not to say that i didn't find some of the topics fascinating and reassuring- clicking with the things that i already know. we already know this folks and it is dangerous to add the element of god in text and compare it to the writings of a mortal! i have only read books one and two, but where are the real deep/dirty issues at hand such as abortion? i don't think god holds back... it's the subtle events in this life that will give you the answers. you are not a human being having a spiritual experience, rather a spiritual being having a human experience.
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Post by allspry@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2002 11:36:57 GMT -5
... oooops... that's not "sthyngyfeeding".... what i meant was
SPOONFEEDING. spoonfeeding. don't be spoonfed!
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Post by allspry@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2002 11:39:20 GMT -5
why does this website change spoon feeding to sthyngyfeeding? there is something terribly wrong here...
it's spoon feeding. spoon feeding. you know... having someone put something in your mouth for you.
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Post by LL on Jan 24, 2002 12:10:39 GMT -5
Why is it "dangerous??" to include god? This doesn't make sense to me. God, the is, whatever name you give it, is all inclusive. To exclude god because it might be dangerous? You cannot possibly exclude a part from the whole, unless of course someone fears their god. I have no idea what you mean by someone putting something in my mouth for me...please explain. I, for one am glad that Neale or god or whoever wrote those books put it in simple terms...some people need that to understand, and just as you said we will all be given instruments that will help us fly through this life, if we do what it takes. Well, define what it takes. Do I have to toil in misery for ? years and then I'm worthy of practice? Or, can I find a book that puts it in simple terms and I learn in a relatively short period of time and enjoy this incredible thing called life for a while longer? Oh and read Book 3 if you would like the abortion issue addressed, you may not like the answer given however. If we're spiritual beings having a human experience, which I fully agree, why would you consider the author a mere mortal? Just some thoughts LL
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Post by allspry@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2002 14:59:18 GMT -5
good point with the god/mortal/spiritual being. i guess i was just thinking about the bible. now, lots of people disagree with me that the bible is theoretical. i don't think that the events that were portrayed by mortals are what happened- technically. but it has been taken to that extreme and twisted, skewed and all that. it's only my opinion that jesus was an example that we can all live up to. not something out of reach and held up on a cross. and you're right, there are many all-encompassing things that can be attributed to a god, or allah, or the great spirit. but i do loose sight in the fact that many people need a more direct guide... i forget that sometimes. remember, we create our own reality and sometimes i get lost in that. i don't believe in misery and despondancy and i don't think that that is ever a means to an end. good thoughts you have!
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Post by LL on Jan 25, 2002 8:19:44 GMT -5
Ah the bible...you can read my thoughts on that in the other post. LL
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Post by Sparkymarkyb@hotmail.com on Feb 4, 2002 0:24:52 GMT -5
As i began my gap year (between highschool and University) with a temporary job, i started thinking bigly about stuff, and came to the conclusion in my book of ideas that there was simply one long life, and that every "person" was a part of that, and so, in effect, I had been, or was going to be, every person ever. The next day, totally unconnectedly, someone at work (called Adrian: are you out there?) recommended the work of RB to me, and i realised we had a copy of "Jonathan" at home, which i had never read. I read it, and was suitably impressed. I then went to Japan for 6 months. Life was tough, stressful, and full of misunderstandings with my teacher, etc. After five months, i was browsing in a bookshop (looking for Anne Frank's diary, which i still haven't read) when i found CWG (i think it was book 3 i started with, but they were all there). This basically confirmed all the stuff i'd been thinking about, and i got a lot happier. I have since read Illusions and One (both fantastic) now, a couple of years on, and back in Japan, in my second year of uni. (sorry, this is turning into a bit of a life story; not sure where it's going...) i am kind of wondering where i'm heading. I maybe should read and reread the works of NDW and RB, and make them more of a part of my life, but i don't want to get into the whole religious kind of "this is the truth and i'm going to stick by it, and preach it to everyone i meet" thing. Not only do people not want me going on all the time about how amazing and spiritual we all are, but they've got their own ideas and way of looking at things, and to "spread the word" as it were would be a) to be like a missionary, trying to change people's ideas, and b) to deprive them of the excitement of finding out on their own that everything's alright forever. Can anyone relate to these feelings? I know that i definitely want to create (and enjoy doing so) and therefore often ask myself why i'm doing Japanese. The great joy is that the possibilities are endless and infinite, and all equally possible, and all i have to do is choose. The great difficulty is remembering this see you/ be you all where/whenever. be good.
MarkyB.
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Post by LL on Feb 4, 2002 7:49:26 GMT -5
SMb, yeah I can relate. The only way to relay these truths, based on my experience, is to live them. Telling someone and showing someone are extreme in their intensity. By telling someone you must come up with all kinds of examples and use limiting words. Showing, on the other hand, leaves little, if any, doubt as to what you are portraying and by simply living your truth, you are showing many, many individuals that they too can live their own truth. LL
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Post by indigo_twilight on Feb 6, 2002 19:59:32 GMT -5
I've read the CWG books (books 1-3, Friendship, and Communion) and think they are the best books out I've found for discussing complex metaphysical concepts in an easy to understand way.
I read the first book about 4 years ago and read each one after that as they came out. At the time I had already done some reading on spirituality and many of the concepts were not new. Despite this, it really helped me to see things from a higher perspective. Before it was as if I had collected many puzzle pieces from different sources but didn't know how they fit together. CWG helped me to more deeply understand those pieces and see how they interrelated to others.
I consider the series to be one of the highest sources of wisdom I've ever encountered.
The only critique I have is that it is mostly theoretical and even after reading its best explanations on what to do for creating the kind of life I want, I was still left scratching my head. Since then I've found more info that bridged the gap. I don't want to derail this discussion though, so if anyone wants to know about it, please email me (or if it's ok with the webmaster I'll start a new thread on the topic).
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Post by Horace on Feb 6, 2002 23:55:04 GMT -5
Please start another thread!
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Post by indigo_twilight on Feb 7, 2002 11:44:47 GMT -5
LL already mentioned that abortion was discussed in book 3 and hinted that it danced around the issue. I feel that there was an answer that naturally followed from what was already said in the books though. What I'm about to explain is, of course, my opinion and interpretation and may or may not be correct. See if it resonates with you...
To break it down:
The soul enters the body when it chooses to (book 3, p245).
Where does the soul "live" when it is outside of the body? It lives in the realm of "spirit" - which exists outside of physical reality. <br> From the perspective of Spirit, it is possible to see an entire lifetime all at once - it can see "past" and "present" and "future" as all happening at once (book 2, p62):
"It should not be quite as difficult to now see that 'time' does not exist except as a construction of your mentality. Everything that's ever happened -and is ever GOING to happen- is happening NOW. The ability to observe it merely depends on your point of view - 'your place in space'
"If you were in MY place, you could see it All - RIGHT NOW!"
For more on time being a matter of perspective ('your place in space'), read "The Parable of the Rock" in book 3, p63
Side note: This is probably why people who have had Near Death Experiences report seeing their whole lives all at once during their "life review." Once they are away from their body and physical reality, they are able to view it all from the broader perspective.
So, from the perspective of the "incoming soul" he/she is able to easily see whether the pregnancy is going to come to term or not. Souls are able to know the intent and feelings of those in physical form and so knows what the mother will do (if she will change her mind or not). They will also know if the pregnancy will not come to term because of a miscarriage.
If the soul enters the body when it chooses to and is able to see what's coming up, why would it choose to inhabit a body that will not come to term?
This perspective of the soul being able to see whether a pregnancy will come to term and choosing not to enter the body if it won't has actually already been written about by other sources.
The best and most interesting discussion on the subject is in in "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls" by Michael Newton. These 2 books are about a hypnotherapist who regresses people to the life-between-life state where they describe what life is like in the "soul plane". When I first read these books they were a shock because it was not at all what I expected (there was a lot more organization and the consciousness of souls was not what I thought it would be). Despite this I couldn't find anything that contradicted anything I already believed or that was said by other sources I trusted. Whether you agree with what is said or not in these books, they are a fascinating read and I highly recommend them.
If you want to just pluck them off the shelf in the bookstore to see what is said on these topics alone, read pages 267-268 of "Journey of Souls" and pages 382-383 of "Destiny of Souls." In "Destiny" it also discusses what CWG3 said when it danced around the issue - that you can't kill anything because life is eternal and nothing ever dies, that life never begins because it never ends (p247 of CWG3). It talks about the fetus itself as possessing life but without an identity (soul).
For me, this perspective and understanding has made abortion a non-issue.
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