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Post by lovelyugly on Apr 24, 2005 9:45:59 GMT -5
Lizanne333
First, please accept I'm talking of organised religion here, and not yourself. I am not at all surprised that any organised religion fails an individual - but that the Bahai faith should have treated you so badly is shocking and I feel badly for you.
Religions do not allow any deep sense of the self - and because you have that - no matter whether in a large or small way - you threaten the core of their credo. I have yet to find a faith - apart from my own faith in myself to do well, make mistakes, be saddened, be happy- which would accept me wholeheartedly. Faiths accept you and your sins - but only with the proviso that you tread their only their path.
I find the concept of "soul" difficult. I can only figure it as the essence of me. Churches/faiths want to "save' this soul - in order to meld it to their own ideology. In turn, you are then expected to go out into the world to do the same to others. Such dreadful, self-serving, barbarity.
With only my own faith in myself, I live a contented life in the knowledge that if it goes wrong - or right - then it's down to my actions. (I do understand that this does not hold up for every person. But I had luck and the opportunity not to remain "helpless". I took it.)
( I recall many years ago - I was 12 - I had left the church - I was starting to have an intellectual sense of my own self. One evening I answered the door to some Jehovah's Witnesses, and spoke to them for over an hour. I was alone in the house. The next week they came back, spoke to my father, said I was a communist and any punishment was up to my father. He sent them away, he was happy his daughter could stand up for herself. But they wanted me to be punished!!!! Quite literally "For the love of God" - their God, obviously.)
with heart lovelyugly (and yes of course you got my name right! thankyou)
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Post by lovelyugly on Apr 24, 2005 9:59:31 GMT -5
Lizanne (I have to make different posts to address different - though related - words. )
When you finish speaking about the Bahai you simply end "Oh Well". And you seem to dismiss their barbarity, and in turn, dismiss yourself. As though you were deserving of it.
You were their pawn. You have some responsibilty in that. That's responsiblity, not guilt. The guilt belongs to them. Let it go. They are not worthy of your time, your thoughts, your attention. .
Like I said, for me, the only faith to have is in yourself. I can't lead anyone anywhere, I don't know the answers for anyone but myself. Who I am is unimportant, apart from to myself. Which was a salutory lesson when I learned it, but led to a happier self of 'me'.
keep heart Lovelyugly
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 24, 2005 10:02:48 GMT -5
Hi Lovelyugly:
Boy, yesterday was incredible for me! (and you?)
Question: Knowing what we know here about the nature of those beings that have not understood that they are it; do you see future events for the world? I do. I have these visions, and I don't know if they are my illusion, or if in fact they are "true"
I have had these dreams where I am with light beings. The first one: I found myself in front of a group of maybe 8, standing alone for some kind of judgement.
When I realized I was in front of "Holy Ones", I fell to my knees. They told me to stand, and as I did an incredible light entered my being, and I "saw" all of the "debris" in my spirit vaporized.
The second one, I was one of the beings themselves, and I had asked for another "reading" of my spirit. I had called the conference. They told me that I didn't need it. I told them I was afraid that I may deviate from the commitment I had made when back in the body on Earth. That I would be tempted, once I "knew' who I was to abandon my directive and instead enjoy the "spoils" of my "station" They told me that they all have to deal with that. That we all have a mission and we can only hope we keep our eye on "God" and the truth of the mission, but that they also know the possibility of being seduced and sidetracked.
Have you had anything like this happen to you?
I "see things coming"
Lizanne
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Post by lovelyugly on Apr 24, 2005 10:31:05 GMT -5
Lizanne oh dear - we are so different. My response may appear flippant, because it's my view. Precisely because it's my view. (Which is not to say I'm flippant. I endeavoour not to be.) So, no I haven't had any "visions" (but see later). Your's are your "Truth" perhaps?
I think about the world. I have imagination. (A very wise friend of mine told me once that intellect is about imagination, using it. Which is not to be vain, just to have an acceptance of what I have. I'd rather play a mean guitar and sing beautifully at the loss of some intellegence. That's greed for you! :-)
I have no prophecies in my bag, only dreams. I tend to day dream a great deal - and of course, when those dreams turn to reality - good or bad - then of course l'm apt to tell myself "Told you so".
And I know that's not what you mean at all, but as I said, this is my reality, and not yours. Which is good, for if we were all the same there would be no visions, no dreams, nothing.
And your comment about being "seduced and sidetracked" , I have to say that I find both those paths to be useful in finding my self of me in this world.
be of good cheer lovelyugly
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 24, 2005 10:57:04 GMT -5
Dear Lovelyugly,
One time I was reading A Garden of Pomegranates, by Israelie Regardie=Kabbalah
This was tricky for me as I was doing a no no according to the church. But I had to. I needed to know more.
What a beautiful soul he was. As I was reading, a river of light opened up before my eyes and Hebrew Characters lifted off the page. I think they were Hebrew. They turned into blazing fire colored light, entered my eyes and slammed into my chest. I cried out OH!
The next day, I began to see my number 333 everywhere I went. These characters are still there, sort of across my third eye area.
I then went to Seattle, and a friend took me to the East West Bookstore where there were the most beautiful crystal "gems" under halogens, I had ever seen. I asked to see two, one was amitrine, and the other was citrine. They were hand sized balls, with incredible colors inside. I walked around with them and began to feel a magnetism around my body. You know like the resistance you feel when you pull two magnets apart slowly?
Then my hands began to tingle, and the tingling increased until, it hurt so badly, I had to find my friend to hand them to her, as I could no longer hold them. I sat down, and as I sat, the top of my head exploded with the same tingling sensations, painful.
I was told by an internationally known "psychic" who was there, that I was awakening. In her 15 years of experience she had not met anyone with my "receptive power". Now this is not ego here, ok. The next morning, I vomited, and the sensations began to come out of the bottom of my feet. I couldn't walk.
For whatever it is worth, I have been told that I am Edgar Cayce's "ray", and have also had experiences there, and a special "knowing" of his spirit? Dunno Edgar Cayce said he came in on RA's ray? So I have been looking into RA abit here, and what JUMPED out was that RA was a "real" priest who REALIZED his IMMORTALITY. Which of course turned into a religion, and the people misunderstood, and worshipped him rather discover for themselves their own immortality.
Anyway, all for now, and there is so much more.
Lizanne
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Post by lovelyugly on Apr 24, 2005 12:19:53 GMT -5
Ah well, I'm off now to gain something - who knows what - elsewhere. To add more to me. (selfish yes, sorry, no) Good bye Lizanne, thank you, hope all goes well for you! Good bye Lokistail, who's original posting brought me here - thank you, too, and again, hope all goes well for you! Grave cheerio, your postings made me laugh! with a happy heart then! lovelyugly ;-)
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