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Post by lizanne333 on Jun 18, 2005 0:58:55 GMT -5
IT IS STILL YOUR ANGER~IS IT NOT?
My anger is justified, not projected.
Lizanne
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Post by lizanne333 on Jun 18, 2005 1:12:50 GMT -5
If you have time, go to Leslie Parrish and read my post COMING CLEAN It took a long time of self-evaluation, and allowing, and reading other posts here on the forum to help me see my responsibility in the failure of our marriage. When I was able to do so, I was able to set Wayne free from any obligation that I had held him to. As a result, I am free of that relationship too! ;D This is part of the reason I have waited over 4 years to even begin dating. I knew that I had contributed to the failure of the marriage, and I did not want to enter another relationship until such time as I could free myself from the last, as I knew if I did, I would most likely repeat the same pattern? I did not want to do that. -L
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Post by Bluebird on Jun 18, 2005 5:25:03 GMT -5
I am not sure how "in place" my posting will be, since the original topic of this thread has been lost in anger and miscommunication. I think I'll write it anyway, since the messages above have nothing to do with me nor the original topic. I suspect that in your wisdom, having come together from a mutual attraction, where you have soared initially, the recognition that if you are "Always soaring", you burn the engines out. I disagree, Lizanne. Why not always soar? I think therein lies the paradox: forever soaring does not burn the engines on, au contraire, it gives the engine more energy! Bumps in the road of life does not take the air out from underneath the balloons - one holds the other one in the air. There, you said it yourself. I think it does. Allowing is not work, but granting the other one his/her personal freedom. Understanding the need of the other's personal freedom over and over again is work. Spiritual development is work. Compromising, yet staying content, happy and free may be work from both parts. I cannot say what is absolutely right and absolutely wrong, but I personally do not work that way. I need to have problems sorted out as soon as they come. I can't stand the feeling that something is bothering me, hovering over me, something I have a problem with and cannot accept. Sure, I have a VERY big tendency to be reactive (ask anyone! ;D ), but I only get upset when someone does not understand what I mean, when that understanding is important to me. I believe that instant clearing of the atmosphere prevents a lot of negative energy from forming. I cannot act according to my highest right if I do not solve all problems as soon as I encounter them. But then again, that's maybe just me?
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Post by eponine1971 on Jun 18, 2005 11:57:20 GMT -5
Bluebird,
I agree completely. I can't sleep, can't think, and can't function when an issue arrises that must be addressed. I think men (and I'm generalizing here) need to cool down a bit, go into their man-cave as per men are from mars, women are from venus. While I do believe the book makes broad generalizations, it is helpful in assessing your relationships. Gives you some ideas on different ways to go about dealing with things. At least it gives you an idea on the never-stopping-to-ask-directions man thing. That's certainly an interesting one.
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Post by eponine1971 on Jun 18, 2005 12:07:15 GMT -5
If you have time, go to Leslie Parrish and read my post COMING CLEAN It took a long time of self-evaluation, and allowing, and reading other posts here on the forum to help me see my responsibility in the failure of our marriage. When I was able to do so, I was able to set Wayne free from any obligation that I had held him to. As a result, I am free of that relationship too! ;D This is part of the reason I have waited over 4 years to even begin dating. I knew that I had contributed to the failure of the marriage, and I did not want to enter another relationship until such time as I could free myself from the last, as I knew if I did, I would most likely repeat the same pattern? I did not want to do that. -L Lizzane, I've read it before among others about how you were wronged and he just left you with nothing. Really, I don't have time to hear such whining. And I believe I told you in a previous post that you are obviously still dealing with a fresh wound because you keep going on and on about it. Most of it is all venting and little has to do with any of topics being discussed. The whole sun/moon bullshit being a perfect example.
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Post by lizanne333 on Jun 18, 2005 13:40:11 GMT -5
i Bluebird Sings Beautifully: I disagree, Lizanne. Why not always soar? I think therein lies the paradox: forever soaring does not burn the engines on, au contraire, it gives the engine more energy! Bumps in the road of life does not take the air out from underneath the balloons - one holds the other one in the air Oh bluebird! I have just come to an understanding!!!! We can soar as long as we choose But in the soaring all of the time Is it not nice to touch down Is it not nice to slow our baloons down And partake of the smell of the roses And one baloon may want to fly And the other baloon may want to knit For awhile. And at some time both baloons may want to collide And at some time both baloons may want to be one All the while tied together at the knot of commitment? I have found that we do have choices That the choice is ours When two choose to "choose" together Then they "choose" their interdependent path Inside of the ONENESS that they are. How does this sit with you? I love your song lizanne
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Post by Bluebird on Jun 19, 2005 5:24:22 GMT -5
It sits well with me
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Post by lizanne on Jun 19, 2005 13:16:49 GMT -5
Beautiful Bluebird Sings:
Thank-you so much bluebird, you'll never know the relief you have delivered to me.
This is what I see
I see a chain of sorts, and each one of us is a link in that chain.
Bluebird delivers to me a "vison" of how she sees things,
I then take that vision, and relate what I see.
Then wynsong takes both of our visions and works with it and delivers what she sees.
We are forming a new link in the chain as we do this.
This is a great priveledge we have to work with such things. For we are altering the world of people and things.
As "we" the chain, get it right, a new link if formed, and we take it out into the world and apply it.
As a result, we are more successful in our relationships.
Does this make sense?
I am afraid to sign in and see what Edina and Webmaster have to say to me.
Truly, I am love, before you.
I again, have not meant to step on anyone's toes, and looks like I have, again and again. If you can forgive me.
To those of you who do not wish to partake in this great work, I think I know who you are, now, and I will stay away from you.
However, if one day, you change your mind, it will be just as smooth as silk, and you can join on in.
Please, your anger is your own, even as my anger is mine. I try to deal with my anger myself, and not inflict it upon you.
So, please, let's come forth in love and see what we can discover about you and me and all of humanity, that we can make a difference in our lives and reflect that difference to the world that they too may see, and become free as we.
This is how I see it, and Eponine71, I humbly ask for your forgivenessss..........
Lizanne333
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Post by eponine1971 on Jun 19, 2005 15:33:21 GMT -5
I have said all I have to say. I joined this forum to discuss RB and his work. I'm interested in that and all simularly relevant information. I expect personal experiences shared to be kept personal. This is all I ask, all I give, and all I will accept. No ill will. Just a firm belief in what is right. I am sorry that it took Edina and Webmaster to make you see that.
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