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Post by Bluebird on Apr 11, 2005 7:13:54 GMT -5
Here's a quote someone posted on the door to our department at work:
"The best way to predict the future is to invent it". - Alan Kay
Sure, he talks about Apple software and technology, but I think he hit straight on spot in every way.
Thoughts... comments?
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Post by Grave on Apr 11, 2005 7:35:34 GMT -5
It Did hit nail on the head "Apple" has always known to be associated with wisdom any how Grave(Is there a future?)
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Post by Bluebird on Apr 11, 2005 7:49:42 GMT -5
Do we even invent the future if it already exists ? -> do we invent ANYTHING if it already exists in all possible varieties? -> what's the purpose of thinking of a blue feather if it exists before we think of it?
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Post by Grave on Apr 11, 2005 8:16:48 GMT -5
Precisely
May be thats why Shimoda called it... "ILLUSION"
Don't you to feel frustrated going around in circles...
Grave(round Grave)
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Post by just visitin on Apr 18, 2005 14:28:43 GMT -5
Is this not the old 'free will/destiny' argument? How about if every possible future exists, and intent is how we chart our course through them? So the point of thinking about a blue feather (or something more profound preferably) that already exists is to draw it into your personal future? Just a thought...
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 18, 2005 16:18:15 GMT -5
Just visitin' Says:
Absolutamente!
We continue to disregard, dismiss our thoughts as well as our Spirits to the realm of "imagination", and as a result we suffer.
That which we "envision", the picture therof, truly exists in another dimension. Possibly the dimension where our "missing electrons go". See, "What in the Bleep do We Know"
I see those dimensions exist here, available through, initially the use of imagination, or intuition.
I suspect once the picture becomes very clear, combined with our traveling through time/space, possibly the physical traveling through time and space IS actually the traveling through dimensions. Not sure here.
If this is so, then with our mind's eye we can actually "see" what is coming down the pike, so to speak.
If you create a blue feather in some dimension visible within your mind's eye, depending upon the intensity and power of that vision, determines how close that dimension is to be futuristically revealed, and thus manifested.
Best be careful, cause as I say this, I see my "worries" flying forward in time towards my doorstep!
So, scearry as that seems, guess we haven't truly realized that as we throw out thought forms, "Gulp" they are eventually revealed, and come flying back in our face.
Oh! Oh! Best I clear my plate!
Lizanne
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Post by Falion on Apr 18, 2005 17:44:20 GMT -5
I feel my future being created in every split second of this reality....I dont envision any set paths in my life, its constantly being created, more and more with control through practice....
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 18, 2005 19:06:05 GMT -5
Falion says:
Falion, I am more inclined to agree with your approach. Let me see If I understand you correctly
Are you suggesting that you "trust" that which is delivered to you? Are you suggesting that it is not best to "look" to see what is coming?
Or do you see a multitude of possibilities "in vision" and choose which option best fits you at any given point in time?
Or do you just allow it to unfold, and therin lies the surprise, and beauty?
I suspect, in fact it is happening to me, something that I have been working on since the mid-seventies, and then got sidetracked for 20+ years, which was shortening the period of "time" between that which I envision, or my thought and its' manifestation.
I would like it to be, as I am still human, that only that which is Universally True and Good be delivered to me in "vision", with such abilities surfacing in us it could feasibly be disastrous.
Look at Crick, Watson, and Morris? It was my understanding since the days of DNA discovery, that Morris? spends his time lecturing upon Ethical Responsibility of Science, as a result of his work on the A-Bomb, and now is afraid of the mis-use of the information the mapping of DNA provides.
All we have to do is look at the scurrying around and camps set up to own this aspect or that aspect of DNA. It seems all motivated by money and power.
But of course, as the World stands, and turns, that is the current paradigm.
But this must, and will change. Because, Falion, I gave you some special infomation, via email, remember? We're going to discover all there is to know about how things work, in order to heal ourselves and others, and the Drug Companys better diversify, and those for profit better learn how to grow broccali, cause we won't need their services anylonger!
Now, sir, one could call that a vision. I suppose that if I "looked at it long enough", I could probably manifest it. But truly, I don't think I am the first to envision "Whirled Peas", so the vision is already there. I am just a hollow reed, filled sometimes to much information for my own good, it seems.
Staying clean, and clear and keeping my eyes upon the point of Light, and allowing "God"(that which is so, that which is true) to flow through me, is my commitment, and my intent. Forgive me, should I stumble, forgive me if I should make a grievous error! I pray even more fervently, that as I step out, "in faith", that naturally that of which I speak will be true. Sometimes, if I see myself up a ladder, I beg humbly to come back down before I fall.
Oh, and let''s not forget Rosalind Franklin, without whose work, Crick and Watson, might still be scratching their heads!!
Lizanne
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Post by Falion on Apr 18, 2005 20:50:19 GMT -5
My paths arent delivered to me..they are just simply created at every moment, thus am able to manifest my own destiny and future...I feel im in complete control.
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Post by JTwolf guesting on Apr 20, 2005 0:18:59 GMT -5
Every step of every day there is always a choice of paths....everything that happens is a direct result of a choice. Our destiny is a series of choices that lead us down the path. One must always be aware of the choices laid before us, wrong choices can make the path longer and harder. Contemplate each choice, let Spirit guide you for that is His job. It is our job to do the work of the choice we are guided to make. The phrase, "Let go and let God" is more profound than most can recognize.....simplicity most often times is. God will guide your path, if you let Him. It's His job. And a more peaceful, productive life will unfold.
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Post by Grave on Apr 20, 2005 4:48:07 GMT -5
I always wanted to ask:
If I have several possible futures, and that I choose one, what happens to the rest of them, do they cease to exist ?
Or
If there are several me taking each possible road to these futures, then I am not a constant spirit ?
Grave(united)
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Post by Bluebird on Apr 20, 2005 6:27:22 GMT -5
I'd say you are a constant spirit. You exist everywhere at once, but your consciousness is limited to see only one path. It sounds hard to grasp, and I'm not sure whether I myself can really see it for all it's worth.
I guess it's a bit like the classic question of physics: a square cannot imagine a "square without corners" (=a circle). Or that we cannot grasp Einstein's theory that the universe is an enlarging balloon, with only a one-dimensional surface and nothing on the inside nor outside.
To your first question... I don't know the answer myself, but I've been thinking of it, too. IF everything happens at once, you will of course not cease to exist. You won't even be divided. It will just be another aspect of you. This leads to the obvious question: why do we need to learn anything at all, if we take all possible paths at once, thus learning everything there is to learn at once?
IF there indeed is a time line and you have to choose one path at a time, I believe would appear a bit like a computer game: you always see yourself standing straight, but the world revolves around you when you take another direction. Your personal universe will adjust itself and you will be facing the world from a different angle.
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Post by Grave on Apr 20, 2005 7:34:42 GMT -5
Yea, hard to grasp... Like everytime I make a choice.. "me" the spirit divides into two without my knowing and start to live in a parellal universe thereon ? This way, Am I spliting or uniting? Grave(I have a feeling that we are discovering something new here)
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Post by Bluebird on Apr 20, 2005 8:16:01 GMT -5
Exactly! It sounds too strange to be true, almost unnatural somehow instinctively. Which leads back to my question: IF everything happens at once, you will of course not cease to exist. You won't even be divided. It will just be another aspect of you. This leads to the obvious question: why do we need to learn anything at all, if we take all possible paths at once, thus learning everything there is to learn at once?
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 20, 2005 23:00:48 GMT -5
Maybe if we just went back to sleep zzzzzzzz the mystery would be solved! We are too intellectual for our own good! I wonder again if Adam and Eve had not eaten the "apple" and gained self-awareness, whether humanity would have still evolved, and what kind of creatures would we be.. I mean my dog is perfect by his standards, and he does try to please. Maybe there is some truth to the "Gods" coming down maybe before humanity was ready, and mated with us. While should there be so much struggle involved with fully integrating our Holy Spirits into physical form? According to the story, the bad guy has control of the animal aspect of ourselves. Yes there seems to be a huge discrepany between the Spiritual Essence that I am and the Animal Tendencys of the body in which I reside. Maybe because of some revolt by one of the high authorities, breaking the covenant, caused God to create a contingency plan. This is what I hear. Read the Urantia Book. It will take about 10 years. Incredibly fascinating though. This contingency plan was to offer the Spirit of Mankind a way to circumvent the still animal nature of the body. Difficult at best. The kudos upon achievement as a result of the difficulty factor, greater than the Angels! Our Spirits as the result of the battle between the Spirit and Flesh have become extremely determined and powerful! From what I understand well respected, on high! Apparantly, this was not originally intended. But, oops someone willfully screwed up. We are required to follow the letter of the law, until such time as we ascend. Dunno, whadda think? Just regressing here! Lizanne
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