Venu
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Post by Venu on Jan 18, 2004 11:44:23 GMT -5
Dear Friends: I am a new member of this group, though I knew RB for the past three years. I just wanted to know what this life is all about? I know there cannot be an absolute, clear, 100% simple answer to this question, but maybe I would like to hear what you people have to say on this subject. What am I supposed to do here while I'm alive? MISSION? I have been thinking so hard for a long time (20 years), but in vain........it looks like nothing really matters much. Self-realization...... ?? I don't know how to do it, but I can learn. Thinking of all these I cannot just live here as I'm supposed to be living. Everything looks hollow..empty. Tears, laughter..victory, defeats, wars....money.....everything looks meaningless. Maybe you can share your honest views about this subject, I'd be glad to discuss this stuff with you, because it has been haunting me for a very long time. Cheers, Thanks a lot, With Smiles, Venu.
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Post by Webmaster on Jan 19, 2004 3:56:42 GMT -5
Perhaps the mission is to stop looking for someone to tell you how to live and what to do with your life, and start living as your own master, rather than as a slave (of your own will).
Perhaps the mission is to stop seeking more than whatever each moment brings. And instead just learing to accept it as it comes, and living it fully.
Obviously, there is no mission, unless of course you choose to believe in a god of some sort, who has created a whole set of rules according to which we are supposed to live, but forgot to create a good system of informing people of exactly what these laws are.
So seeing as there is no predefined mission, to satisfy this strange inner craving we have for a purpose each in the end will have to decide for himself! Many people choose to let someone else decide for them, and that is their choice.
People are asking the wrong question. It is not "What is the purpose of this life that I'm living?", but rather "What is the purpose that I choose for my life?"
[glow=red,2,300]...so... tell me, what have you been choosing - what do you choose NOW?[/glow]
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Post by Guest on Jun 7, 2004 19:38:29 GMT -5
From my readings of RB (Illusions and JLS), I think he would probably answer 1. Learn 2. Have fun 3. Love. If anyone follows thier own intuition thier choices can only lead them to these three things which fulfill any lifetime's purpose.
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Post by Venus on Jun 8, 2004 15:04:24 GMT -5
Good morning guys, thank you for your response to my crazy questions, but still it doesn't make much sense.
Ok, right, as the "administrator" said we, ourselves, chose a "purpose" in our life so that we don't go astray, and ....then trying to attain that "peak"....
So, do you mean to say that there's no such thing as a purpose, and there is no such thing as a "meaningful" coincidence, everything happens in random, man is no more special creature than anything else........Is it so? I'm scared to think so, because, to be frank, I'm afraid of not leaving any footsteps here in this world after my departure, am afraid of the uncertainity associated with my life (or after-life)...and my death! I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this way, almost 99% of all living things in this universe are afraid of extinction..that's the main reason people always talk about ideological values, ambitions, social service, self-realization and above all, some "God Almighty" to take care of us once we leave this place. Yeah, it's fun not to worry about what tomorrow will bring us, it's fun to let things happen on their own, to let life "unfold" itself.....but how can you stop this old tension creeping into your dreams and wakeful moments? If that tension arrives, then nothing goes smoothly.......heartbeat jumps up, some sort of restlessness....how can you help it? Any idea? Please don't say do meditaion, am already doing it, it helps a lot...really. But still that "I'm not at all satisfied" feeling.... Am sorry guys, maybe I'm just babbling, maybe I'm wrong in my assumptions and ideas about life. Pardon me if I look silly.
One more thing: This is a strange experience, I cannot discuss this with my friends, because it looks crazy, even to my eyes. What do you say about dreaming something and the next day that dream comes true? No, it's not just a coincidence, I have thought about that, this is not the first time I'm having this experience.
Look, I had a Dream a couple of days ago, that the "Calgary Flames" are defeated in their match against someone.......let me tell you, I don't even know what they are playing, I read somewhere in the newspapers that there's gonna be some match between the "Flames" and someone else. What are they playing? Hockey? I donno. Where? Whom against? I don't give a damn about these kinda matches, the only game I play is Chess. And I had such a Dream, like the "Flames" have lost the game, and the oposite teams are just raising their hands and celebrating their victory. I shrugged off this Dream because I had nothing to do with it, and .....today I saw the StarPhoenix paper, and was shocked to see the "flames" were defeated. And the front page photo, am really scared, (I'm sort of crying now) I have seen that image in my Dream (a young man raising his hands in ecstacy and celebrating the victory.....) I was sort of scared....I don't know what it all means. And this is not the first time, it has happened even before, I always tried not to think anything further about these incidents. I cannot discuss this with anyone, people will think I'm a mad dog..
What do you guys think? Please don't laugh, I too have read so many exotic stories, this is no story at all. If you guys do believe in RB's illusions and one, you guys can have a little bit belief here too. Do you have any explanation for this? Cheers! Good Day!! Venu
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Post by Guest on Jun 8, 2004 18:02:28 GMT -5
Hi again Venu - TEXT! I too have had two or three dreams that have come true. The cutest of these stories happened years before I read RB. My cat (who never strays from the yard and is mostly indoor) had gone missing for almost four weeks. I am really close to my cat and I was crushed with worry. One night I fell asleep thinking of him and I had a dream that he came running across from the right-hand side of the neighbor's yard to me while I was standing at the mailbox. The next day I went down to get the mail and it was total deja-vu (sp?). He came running to me, thin and dirty from across the right-hand side of the nieghbor's yard! As to giving your life meaning, if you believe Illusions, then this lifetime has no meaning in your real life, just like what happens to the characters in movies has no effect on our lives. But we can still get caught up in the plots and people. And for what purpose? 1. to learn 2. to have fun 3. to love. In fact 99.9% of us here are still so caught up in the movie of our life here that even us on the board here - we are just beginning to understand. If we all REALLY believed what we want to it would come true for us and we would be free of our space-time limitations. But obviously I don't see any of you or myself walking on water - we really belive we are in the movie as actors - not our own directors. When we finally get ourselves to believe we are the directors, things will hopefully start making a little more sense!
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Venu
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Post by Venu on Jun 8, 2004 18:52:32 GMT -5
The interesting thing is that I don't want to walk on water, don't want to do any miracles at all...just enduring peace! How can that be possible? If everything is an illusion, then what's the point of doing some miracles?
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Post by Guest on Jun 8, 2004 19:46:13 GMT -5
The miracles are one way to help you discover the truth that leads to enduring peace. That fact that this lifetime and all/any others are not real means that in truth we only have one eternal unkillable unlimited existance - realizing that fact, and actually believing it, is what gives enduring peace. But most of us, being caught up in this current movie can't allow ourselves to realize this - hence the missing inner peace. Someday we'll find it, and the light will get turned on - I hope that can give you a measure of peace in itself.
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Post by Edina on Jun 9, 2004 8:28:36 GMT -5
It's up to us, and only us what movie we choose to sit in. If you don't like the adventure in your current one, snap out of it and choose another movie, or make one on your own that will give you that enduring peace.
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jaa
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Post by jaa on Jun 13, 2004 15:31:12 GMT -5
It's not an answer, just my point of view There's no sense in life in a narrow meaning of the word "sense" or "purpose" (something to achieve) , because there's nothing to achieve, gain or learn . Love is just everything that is it is and it is the "is" And Life is all about enjoying (feeling). The fact that some experiences here are not considered joyful is just the unique fact of being able to do whatever you want here - even denying youself as a Yourself. But from the upthere everything here looks the same - same Love as everything and everywhere. And here there's *choice* and the ability to remember who you are (as I recently found ) - this should be enough to reconstruct yourself back into Yourself here after denying, if you want
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Post by Guest on Jun 13, 2004 16:52:03 GMT -5
Well said Jaa. If you think you're up to it, Venu, then start vaporizing your clouds. Anything you don't feel like dealing with anymore, stop dealing with it! When you clear your path of these fake "problems" and "desires", the Is will come to you. As soon as you let go of the bad things in your life and the desires you've been slaving for, you will be flying in the current. To quote Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenace (not by Bach, but an interesting read) "The truth knocks on the door, and you say 'go away! I'm looking for the truth!" Saying it's that simple is one thing and truly believing it is another, but to contradict the x-files, the truth is not out there. It's within you. As soon as you stop searcing for it, that's when you'll find it. Best wishes.
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Venu
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Post by Venu on Jun 13, 2004 23:18:53 GMT -5
Thank you very much for the overwhelming response to my queries. Really. Thank you very much, it just makes sure that one is not alone in this world. My problem is that eventhough I recognize my "fake" problems, I wasn't just able to shrugg them off my shoulders. If I were to go this way, then I should stop doing my PhD and get into some monestry. Maybe that'll give some sort of meaning (Really, that's what I've been planning to do in the long run) Beleiving is one thing and realizing is another, I do believe in all these stuff, but I have yet to realize them, and untill I don't realize them I tend to feel restive. To tell you the truth, I have been sort of guided for the past three years (or more---I'm not sure if I was really guided by some external force or by my own will to be guided to where I'm now!) and now suddenly after reaching where I wanted to go, life doesn't make sense anymore. And I'm bewilderd (is it fake too??) that maybe I was fooling myself all these three years by believing that I was really guided. And then I tend to disbelieve in all those stuff that I thought were guiding me. It's just like getting inside a maze for the fun of it and then not knowing how to get out of it. It keeps on going. It's ok, it's no wonder that people are having problems--either material, or spiritual--in this world. I must be happy that at least now I am questioning everything and trying to find the real who I'm. Instead of clinging to the rocks, maybe I started letting go of it................ Have you people read the book "Celestine Prophecy" written by James Redfield?..and of course the "Tenth Insight" by the same author?
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Post by An Eagle on Jul 23, 2004 20:35:15 GMT -5
Ah yes....I've asked many questions on my journey as well. But that is my journey and not yours, but then again maybe there are many similarities to be shared or learned from. www.AttitudeLikeWings.com
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Venu
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Post by Venu on Oct 4, 2004 23:15:55 GMT -5
Guys, tell me now, have your views as to what life is all bout changed within this short span of time? ? Or are you guys still having the same views? I mean, are we not learning daily? Cheers, Venu.
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Post by SUPERJEN22 on Feb 12, 2005 0:42:04 GMT -5
GOOD Peoples, Life is about whatever you want it to be about. ;D At HIGH TIDE, you may wish it to be INFINITE with NO BOUNDARIES and as ever changing as the abounding masses of collected water. At LOW TIDE, you may wish it to be FINITE with BOUNDARIES as rigid and solid as the rocky reef the lack of water has exposed. HIGH TIDE is stepping back and seeing the whole picture. LOW TIDE is focusing on just one detail. Both are necessary and both are equal in the sense that BALANCE and IMBALANCE are the same thing viewed from two different perspectives. 0/1 Yin/Yang Low/High Zoom In/Zoom Out Female/Male Student/Teacher Child/Parent etc... Seems to me that everything functions on this basic principle of duality. Languages and understanding come from a fundamental opposition of view. Coding and decoding over and over again. And from pacing these oppositions we find meaning, just as a musician creates different moods with the same 7 notes. There is a reason we sometimes want freedom and a reason we sometimes want challenge. Afterall, would a VACATION be a really be a vacation if you never worked? That being said, I think we both have always thought this way all along and have never thought this way until today at the same time.
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Post by Edina on Feb 12, 2005 8:59:44 GMT -5
Hey Jen, welcome to the board!
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