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Post by Edina on Feb 24, 2005 16:48:58 GMT -5
A friend of mine just died recently, and frankly, I don't know how to comprehend it. It's a feeling that I haven't experienced before, though have lost relatives in the past, it never came so close...
Thinking back on the things we talked, and knowing that he didn't believe in afterlife, only that we're here to suffer, "this life is the beginning and the end of our means", and knowing what an intelligent guy he was despite his rather strange philosophy and reasoning, scares me to say the least.
It's an incomprehensible change to me. One minute he is, and the next he's just GONE, left this earthy life so young.
The questions that pop up in my mind ever since I was told about his death: That's it? Is this all he got? Is this all we get? I'm so attached to this life, is this normal? Why am I scared to lose it? He wasn't...
Saturday I'm going to his funeral. I can't believe it.
I'm actually going to HIS funeral. Damn...
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 24, 2005 20:45:25 GMT -5
Dear Edina,
My heart goes out to you in this, the time of great
loss for you & others. Have no answers to your questions,
my friend, though there are some thoughts to share with you.
From the "Emanuel" series, here is a paraphrased quote:
"Death is perfectly safe. It is like taking off a tight pair of boots."
This artist unexpectedly lost a dear friend just after Christmas last
year. Tears of sad loss ran their course & were, in time, replaced with
profound thankfulness for all we shared with one another.
It took some time to let him go, being initially unwilling to accept what
appeared to be his untimely departure. It seems our best vision of this
life is like peering through a fog ... &, like all fog, must eventually lift.
Am pleased that your friend was unafraid of the inevitable rendering
of the "space suit". That which he truly is is still. May your heart be
comforted tomorrow as you say "See you later" to your friend.
~Dwayne~
Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed.
They may, however, change from one to the other.
Edit- spelling correction
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Post by Edina on Feb 24, 2005 22:43:18 GMT -5
Dwayne, thank you for your kind words. I'm also sorry for your friend's loss. It's not easy to accept that they are not here anymore. How do we know if we haven't experienced it (at least in this lifetime)? The First Law of Thermodynamics. Yes. I had to do a presentation/demonstration on it in grade school. Thank you for reminding.  |
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Post by Bluebird on Feb 25, 2005 2:42:39 GMT -5
Edina, I am so sorry. I haven't lost a friend of young age, so I honestly cannot say I know what it must be like. I'm not sure if I fear death. I think it's more of a reluctance to die. Is it attachment to this form of life? I suppose it is, but the reason is that I have so much to learn, so much to experience and to do before I feel I'm ready to die. Maybe he learned an important lesson. Maybe it's necessary for us all to live a life from the point of view that nothing happens after we die, that there is no meaning to it. I think it would give an insight I personally would regard as new and revealing. I wish you strength, also the strength to really ponder about what happened. Maybe he taught and gave you a great deal, too. One thought about the laws of thermodynamics: One law states: nature strives from order to chaos. Perhaps that could be viewed as the gradual blending of (ordered) individual souls to the (unordered), universal Is? |
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Post by Grave on Feb 25, 2005 4:26:04 GMT -5
I am sorry to know about your friend Edina.
"....death is like jumping into a pool on a hot day.."
It does mean something don't you think?
In each phase of lifetime, our purpose is to know. We we fail 1000s of time and come back to learn.
Our friends who come with us and manage to learn before us don't come back again, but guide us on earth through mind so that we do not spend yet another lifetime in vain.
Your friend Edina, would be guided by you in his next lifetime.
I'm sure.. so...its not "Thats it" ..
We all are always together.All of us.
God bless your friend and you very much
Love
Grave
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 25, 2005 15:48:01 GMT -5
Grave recalls: "... death is like jumping into a pool on a hot day ..."Yes. Have always liked this analogy as well, friend. It comes from [shadow=green,left,300]Illusions[/shadow] as Donald is speaking with Richard about the illusion of "death". My heart continues to be with you, Edina. Am considering your question to me ... [glow=blue,2,300] "How do we know if we haven't
experienced it (at least in this lifetime)?"[/glow] ... in response to my assertion of ... [glow=orange,2,300] "Death is perfectly safe. It is like
taking off a tight pair of boots." [/glow] Good question! How do we truly know if having no conscious memory of permanently leaving a "vessel" (i.e.- "body")? My honest answer is that I do not know ... though my "heart" insists that this be so. This having been said, [glow=teal,2,300] ~ Whatever we believe will
never change the truth/reality ~[/glow][/b] ... so am continuing to embrace that which my "heart" says is so - that death is perfectly safe; is a completely natural way experienced already by tens of billions of souls incarnated humanly; is perhaps the grandest of illusions in this space/time continuum. This having been said, [glow=violet,2,300] "There is no such thing as a problem
without a gift for you in its hands."[/glow]... from our beloved [shadow=green,left,300]Illusions[/shadow] Thank you again, Richard. ~Dwayne~
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Post by Grave on Feb 26, 2005 5:39:51 GMT -5
Thank you again, Richard. Yea Thanks to Richard |
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Post by Edina on Feb 27, 2005 12:56:19 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for your supporting thoughts and feelings.
Yesterday after the funeral and saying goodbye to him, we all gathered and talked about him. Some people still spoke in present tense like he was still alive, because that's how it felt. That's when I truly realized, he will continue to LIVE ON in our memories no-matter-WHAT.
One's contribution to the world is what makes a person. Thoughts, feelings, works and memories are products of oneself, where one transforms the energy.
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Post by Grave on Feb 28, 2005 3:32:29 GMT -5
*Sighs*
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 28, 2005 22:50:42 GMT -5
Edian says: "Yesterday after the funeral and saying goodbye to him, we all gathered and talked about him. Some people still spoke in present tense like he was still alive, because that's how it felt. That's when I truly realized, he will continue to LIVE ON in our memories no-matter-WHAT."That is beautiful, my friend. Fully & completely beautiful. Blessings ... ~Dwayne~
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Post by Altariel on Mar 2, 2005 14:09:14 GMT -5
I also lost my good friend-Ivana, in january[14]...(she was also 20 as I) To give a proof that nothing's by change~ We organized meetings 6-7 times annually. Went to parties or just philosophizing ~ we had always good fun... I'm sure you know the feeling, when you haven't met your good friend for months, but when you met him/her at last ~ you started to talk on level, where you last time ended...(or more deeper level...) There where never nor visible neighter ivisible wall between us. I havn't met her for 3-4 months. It was 13.january(wednesday) when I had a feeling that I'll see her that weekend. On thurday, I don't know why, but I started to think about what would a death of my friends mean to me...I had a feelng that I have no heart.  So I asked myself ~ is it possible that I would feel nothing if would someone of my friends die... And 2 hours later I got a message from my other friend that Ivana died....   I cried all day long. I wrote to her a letter and then I burned it. The funeral was on saturday... tears...hard feelings. And later a friend of mine reminded me~I wrote once to Ivana a poem-when I slept in her house. I couldn't sleep so I started to write at 03.00 AM .The title~ Too early (It's early) ... It was a funny poem about how I love her and about funny things and life... Unfortunately I don't know how was the poem, but i remember the last lines...: It's too early for me to stand to rail[-->> suicide] It's to early for me to die It's too early too stay without you... She died at 03.00, motor accident... The boy who was sitting pro her in car~ walked away the accident... I think that she finished her mission what she had in this life( the mission of her was, i think~to give love and to show what directness is..so I can only say ~well done!!!)...I'm not telling you that I don't miss her,but now I'm feeling her presence more than ever...I have a feeling that she is always with me...  I hope that you'll feel something similar, positive... blessed be! |
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Post by Edina on Mar 2, 2005 23:18:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry for your loss. Fogadd õszinte részvétem.
Strangely enough, I have the same feeling, can feel his presence sometimes. Could be that just my subconscious thoughts are playing with me as I'd still want him around.
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Post by jeffdumas on Mar 3, 2005 11:17:02 GMT -5
Dearest,
Your friend is not dead. You just can't see him anymore. Death is just another illusion like time and space. We chose to enter this life and world (as we know it). We were here before we entered this physical body and we will still be here after we leave it. This body is not "us." You probably have experienced "death" before, you just can't remember it in this body. We come here because we choose to learn something. To Grow! Your friend learned what he came here for, and he'll come back again when he wants to. You and I will do the same. Try to feel joy. He's out of school for the rest of the day! You'll catch up with him later. Then it's back to school again. Try to feel happy because the soul does not die. And when you "feel" his presence, it's probably because he is there. He's checkin' in on you. Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he can't see you!
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Post by Edina on Mar 3, 2005 19:49:25 GMT -5
Thank you Jeff for your wise words.
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Post by Grave on Mar 5, 2005 5:40:52 GMT -5
Dearest,
Try to feel happy because the soul does not die. I've come to think of a question here- 'Souls do not Die' is true even when it unites with "I" itself, when there no more is the word soul? Could re-union be referred to as "The death of the soul" in a way? |
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So I asked myself ~ is it possible that I would feel nothing if would someone of my friends die...
