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Post by Grave on Feb 28, 2005 3:03:10 GMT -5
On my current level of understanding and acceptance I'd say "Truth" and I also want to say "Love" like you JT.
Boy! Am I greedy?
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Post by Edina on Feb 28, 2005 3:07:28 GMT -5
Was that a completion of his sentence or a reference to my answer?
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Post by Edina on Feb 28, 2005 3:49:42 GMT -5
How many? As many as you want to turn in this lifetime of yours.
If you keep on asking, how could you be over with them? But if you meant that you've got the answer to every question, you are free to think that.
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 28, 2005 16:29:07 GMT -5
Goodness, Grave. You made 6 consecutive posts in 13 minutes.
This may take some time to work through ...
~Dwayne~
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Post by Dwayne on Feb 28, 2005 22:38:52 GMT -5
Here we go again, Grave ... First you note: "Hee Hee.. Tell me we aren't addicted to this misery. But Dwayne(*the resigned GOD*), tell me please.. Is this addiction because of our honesty or because of our ego?"Am not addicted to misery any more than to pleasure, my friend. Both are fine experiences to visit & learn from in my opinion. Later you say: "DAMN! I keep on asking question but (t)hink I'm over with them..."This has nudged me to realize there exists a difference between questioning & asking questions. Am one who is learning to ask questions of my Lakota elders without questioning them personally ... a real tight-rope at first until one gets the flow of things. Is a cultural thing, indeed, though it would seem to apply in this as well. Food for thought, perhaps? Then, after Edina's sharing some of Richard's wisdom, you state: "...yea... and start answering honestly. "Yes sir. Though it would seem that even truth without love is nothing. In other words, be easy on your self. Being honest with one's self is best done lovingly. Finally, in regards to JT's fine question you say: "On my current level of understanding and acceptance I'd say "Truth" and I also want to say "Love" like you JT."We agree ... as long as the two are working together. Blessings, my friend ... ~Dwayne~
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Post by JTWolf on Feb 28, 2005 22:59:07 GMT -5
Is this addiction because of our honesty or because of our ego?
Grave)
Personally, Grave, I think that the "addiction" (and for some, that is what it is) comes from the fact that the misery is what is known/understood. Being happy is unknown. Also, being in misery is also whole lot easier (for some) to live with rather than taking responsibilty for themselves and righting what needs to be righted in order to be happy. Being happy is sometimes work! Just try smiling all day, no matter what.
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Post by JTWolf on Feb 28, 2005 23:03:12 GMT -5
"To learn anything, you must put aside the safety of your ignorance."
This is true....I must get this Messiahs Handbook.
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Post by JTWolf on Feb 28, 2005 23:06:20 GMT -5
[Couldn't agree with you more, JTWolf. Thank you sir!
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Post by JTWolf on Feb 28, 2005 23:41:05 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused JT .. do we not have answers to "what" isn't the sticky part "Why" ? Grave (I guess we can answer most "Whats") Please elaborate. Hey Grave.... In my humble opinon and learning to date, there is a line between what and why. To me, Why is limiting. Why this, why that, why for, e.t.c....What, has more depth. What is, what for, what happens, what is the reason for that/this/those....and the list goes on. The list is also long for Why, but I feel, after quite some time thinking about this, that What can answer everything. I feel that it is the "base" question. Why, to me, is a perifeal (sp?) question. Ponder on the word What, to all it's depths and you might see what I am seeing.
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Post by JTWolf on Feb 28, 2005 23:52:34 GMT -5
More strange questions... ;D....gotta love em!! Here's one that I and some friends discussed for many moons many moons ago...... What is the reason, for Wars?? For every war there is a base reason, what would it be? My stand was (and still is) that it is Greed. Beyond all the trappings of "protection", and "aquisition" and even religion. I believe that every "surface" reason can be boiled down to the one reason and that is Greed. What think ye?
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Post by Grave on Mar 1, 2005 0:40:06 GMT -5
To learn anything, you must put aside the safety of your ignorance." ....and ask? I just tried to replace the "ask?" with "..and be honest.." on your behalf.. I don't know if this completed the sentence or means anything as such ..
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Post by Grave on Mar 1, 2005 0:48:30 GMT -5
How many? As many as you want to turn in this lifetime of yours. If you keep on asking, how could you be over with them? But if you meant that you've got the answer to every question, you are free to think that. ummm... I don't think I have answer to every question uptil now, but I have started to think Answers and questions are just illusions too(yet I am unable to quit them).. You know, thats why I think that I do not have any questions(the ones which in true sense are questions) but have so many of them.. (..its like someone unable to crossover even though he can see the border line) Kind of stuck you know.. Grave(SOS)
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Post by l8rpixi on Mar 1, 2005 2:18:41 GMT -5
What is the reason, for Wars?? For every war there is a base reason, what would it be? ...My stand was (and still is) that it is Greed... Greed, yes, and population control
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Post by Grave on Mar 1, 2005 4:50:28 GMT -5
Goodness, Grave. You made 6 consecutive posts in 13 minutes. This may take some time to work through ... ~Dwayne~ how did you know? Here we go again, Grave ... Am not addicted to misery any more than to pleasure, my friend. Both are fine experiences to visit & learn from in my opinion. ~Dwayne~ Great! Did you fight it to grow over it or never had it? I am still addicted. This has nudged me to realize there exists a difference between questioning & asking questions. Am one who is learning to ask questions of my Lakota elders without questioning them personally ... a real tight-rope at first until one gets the flow of things. Is a cultural thing, indeed, though it would seem to apply in this as well. Food for thought, perhaps? YEEEEAAHHH RRRRIGHT! .. and who is Lakota? Though it would seem that even truth without love is nothing. In other words, be easy on your self. Being honest with one's self is best done lovingly. Does love also mean sense of security, How can I keep loving myself? And till the time I do, The "I" and me would be different ?(truth?) but first THANKS DWAYNE(I mean it 100 times ) Grave(I feel like a child)
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Post by Grave on Mar 1, 2005 4:53:27 GMT -5
Is this addiction because of our honesty or because of our ego? Grave) Personally, Grave, I think that the "addiction" (and for some, that is what it is) comes from the fact that the misery is what is known/understood. Being happy is unknown. Also, being in misery is also whole lot easier (for some) to live with rather than taking responsibilty for themselves and righting what needs to be righted in order to be happy. Being happy is sometimes work! Just try smiling all day, no matter what. Bulls eye(I wouldn't have realized it this easywithout your reply) thank you And I am smiling(boy got work to do) Grave
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