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Post by blackrose on May 20, 2002 15:01:22 GMT -5
but do you truly embrace these theories, rokclmr? would u jump off that cliff into the abyss even though you never learned how to swim? i think it is hard to truly understand that one has no limitations whatsoever, i would say almost impossible, we can understand that there is truth in these ideas but how many of us REALLY follow through...?
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Post by milena on May 21, 2002 4:49:58 GMT -5
I truely belive that this world is an illusion and that therefore I have no limitations within this world or this life time that I have chosen because I am a limitless being and we are all One.
But I still have a hard time walking through walls! ;D
I guess that its because I have yet to accept my limitlessness. At times I have been able to - stuck 20 foot up a rock face and scared witless about making the next move I have been able to see that next hold, that next move because I choose to over come the illusions of limits that I have put in front of me. At other times I become entrenched in the ´realities´of this world and find it hard to even get out of bed in the morning ....but then I suppose the acceptance of my limitlessness is one of the myriad of things I have chosen to learn in this lifetime.
As for jumping into the abyss if you couldn´nt swim....surely you would either just chose to know how to swim or else chose to be somewhere else as Chang was teaching Jonathon.
love and laughter X
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Post by rokclmr on May 21, 2002 6:48:29 GMT -5
To Blackrose's question: "but do you truly embrace these theories, rokclmr? would u jump off that cliff into the abyss even though you never learned how to swim? " Good question. At this particular moment, I am the one standing on the edge, looking down at the abyss, which I believe, is where I want to be. I don't know what I'll do when I jump, but I am reasonably certain that when I land, I will find that I have the tools I need (ie: the ability to swim) within me when I get there. My personal struggle is to trust in myself, and to truly, TRULY believe that the world is a limitless illusion. That can be a hard fact to wrap your mind around, esp. with all the traditional indoctrination of beliefs we have all been bombarded with our whole lives. I find I agree with Milena: "I guess that its because I have yet to accept my limitlessness. At times I have been able to - stuck 20 foot up a rock face and scared witless about making the next move I have been able to see that next hold, that next move because I choose to over come the illusions of limits that I have put in front of me." I've been where you're talking about. (Hopefully, you do place your trust in your belayer 20 feet down. ) The next hold is at least a jump/smear away, and you've gotta figure out whether or not you have the ability to reach it. That's when you either suck it up, and jump, or back down a hold, and attack from a different direction. But, if we are limitless, we should be able just to blindly strike out for the hold, confident that we will make the move with no problems. (When you reach that nirvana, Milena, let me know... ) It's a rather difficult thing, blind trust in your self, and in your abilities. However, once we master that, then, theoretically, we will be limitless. And then, maybe, we'll all be swimming in the abyss. Enuff said, Rokclmr
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Post by ray on May 21, 2002 9:11:18 GMT -5
Well, it was just a sentence to praise RB Didn't mean, anything more than that!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by milena on May 23, 2002 5:56:19 GMT -5
*My personal struggle is to trust in myself, and to truly, TRULY believe that the world is a limitless illusion.* That sounds familiar! *The next hold is at least a jump/smear away, and you've gotta figure out whether or not you have the ability to reach it. That's when you either suck it up, and jump, or back down a hold, and attack from a different direction.* Yet another metaphor for life...if at first you don´t succeed.....(but then if you truly believed wouldn´t you succeed anyway?) And its one of the reasons I live to climb...overcoming my limitations and my fear. * But, if we are limitless, we should be able just to blindly strike out for the hold, confident that we will make the move with no problems.* I have a problem with the word *blindly* I think to follow or to do anything blindly is dangerous - it implies unthinking acceptence and that to me is scary....rather we should be hightened and aware of our bodies in this space time and our spirits in all of space time. <br>*(When you reach that nirvana, Milena, let me know... )* When I reach that nirvana I will let you know but then as we are all one you will know anyway. *It's a rather difficult thing, blind trust in your self, and in your abilities.* Again I disagree - its an easy thing to do we just chose to make it diffcult. And there´s that word again I think I prefer *total* to *blind*. * However, once we master that, then, theoretically, we will be limitless.* Theoretically....maybe there in lies the problem. We don´t truely believe that we can walk through walls, we only believe it on a theoretical level. If that is the case we will continue to have bloody noses and eventually give up trying. I know I can walk on water and through walls...its just a matter of choosing the right life time to do those 2 feats. I have no need to do them in this life time...I have a hard enough time working on love. Love and laughter X
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Post by lyndsyexcitecom on Jun 19, 2002 13:45:18 GMT -5
sure sure sure illiusions is a great book but have you ever sat down and actually tryed to read byplane or nothing by chance or a gift of wings unless your an aviation master these books leave you a little dry Id have to say my favorite book will always be theres no such place as far away
running from saftey was great and disney even did a little spin off of it the kid i think it was called
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Post by MEKrewson on Jun 19, 2002 15:40:48 GMT -5
Interesting thread...made me remember a time years ago when I was told that my fears at the time that was causing me much discomfort was due to a lack of faith...now, I took that and the entire idea that fear was a lack of faith as BS. Granted, never forgot the words, but thought he was wrong...my fears had solid evidence for concern, so I thought. (had nothing to do about "faith")
...but then a time came and I knew I had to jump off the infamous cliff, either jump and maybe live, or stand fast with my fears and die defending them! ...I jumped with faith as my parachute and found there Is truth in the words "fear is a lack of faith"...for when I did finally jump, I knew I had made a decision based on faith in myself to learn how to swim or land on my feet depending on the terrain....(was a long jump) (smile) Inside faith in myself I learned how to land.
Now a limitless opportunity exists to live life today. Yes, faith can move mountains, but like Bach discovered to..."you might have to work for it".
M.E. Krewson "What can be less scarey than closing your eyes and not knowing what tomorrow brings? Each day we "jump off a cliff" the minute we wake up."
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Post by rokclmr on Jun 20, 2002 7:15:23 GMT -5
"Inside faith in myself I learned how to land. " Yep... I believe you, with the part of my mind that is tottering on the edge of the abyss. And, I can hear that part of my mind telling the other part of my mind (the defender/protector/survivor) that it's ok to let go. The problem exists that the "protector" portion has a death grip on my illusion of reality. Ugh... the turmoil. Headaches abound. Rome wasn't built in a day, and dreams are seldom realized in the first month or two... "'What can be less scarey than closing your eyes and not knowing what tomorrow brings? Each day we "jump off a cliff" the minute we wake up.'" Thanks for the reminder, M.E. Tres cool. Rokclmr "You have to leave the city of your comfort and go into the wilderness of your intuition. What you'll discover will be wonderful. What you'll discover will be yourself." -- Alan Alda
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Post by ray on Jun 21, 2002 15:38:31 GMT -5
Hi, ME Krewson and rokclmr, I am trying my best to live in my present and the faith is the wonder drug.Let it be faith in yourself, god , a friend, your future or a partner.Thats the thing which helps you live. A huge meaning !!!!!!!!!!! thanks for the beautiful words, they help me fix a goal in life. love, ray
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Post by ME Krewson on Jun 22, 2002 11:31:14 GMT -5
Hi All! Just a quick note that might assist any who desire another perspective towards change...trust me it is entertaining to read and a pleasant journey for the mind. Granted the conclusion stays the same...we get what we give towards where we want to be.(smile) ...my words not the book!
Do check it out, brand new...."The War of Art" by Steven Pressfield.
Since I am very familar with "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu I was intrigued first by the title, then, when the words flowed as I read further, I could see it was destined to be required reading from one artist/writer to another. Let me know if you do!
Have a good day!!!! M.E. Krewson
"Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, magic, and power in it. Begin it now." ...Goethe
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Post by smh on Jun 25, 2002 7:34:15 GMT -5
Please compare these two books - I have heard of the one by Sun Tzu - but not had a chance to look at it and now another by the same name - how are they the same - different.
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