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Post by eponine1971 on Apr 8, 2005 6:35:57 GMT -5
The Code is someone's interpretations of what the Bible says. It occured to me last night when I was watching a show on the end of the world and the second coming. Christ didn't check out long before people said he was on his way back. People have been interpretting signs of the end of the world forever. Why bother? If it's happening, there's not much you can do about it. Just live your life the best you can.
I don't think there is a code in the bible. I think it was written by men with a child-like understanding of how things work. They were givin the end-result and not the hows and whys. You coulldn't tell men of that day that life began with a micro-organism and evolved after that. What people fail to realize that the Bible is an historical document. it was written and translated by men. And men are fallible and subject to the cultural preasures and perceptions of their day. You must take that into consideration.
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Post by Bluebird on Apr 8, 2005 7:37:39 GMT -5
What people fail to realize that the Bible is an historical document. it was written and translated by men. And men are fallible and subject to the cultural preasures and perceptions of their day. You must take that into consideration. So true! That is why the rules and regulations of the Bible almost 2000 years ago cannot be applied today. Also, some explanations worked for the minds of people then, and today we'd require another explanation for another level of understanding. The problem is, the Bible IS written by people. Everything that goes through people goes through a filter. The filter depends on the person in question. You can never really be sure you get to the bottom of truth if you listen to someone else instead of experiencing it yourself. That is why the arguments in favor of the Koran are ingeniously indisputable. Since the angel Gabriel (was it so?) came down with the message for Mohammed, he did not have to write it down from memory or explain things the way he experienced it. He was dictated everything from the beginning to the end. And that is why it's impossible to argue about religion with Muslims.
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Post by Grave on Apr 8, 2005 9:01:46 GMT -5
Why bother? If it's happening, there's not much you can do about it. Just live your life the best you can. Right
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Post by Shelagh on Apr 8, 2005 16:36:24 GMT -5
Maybe it means we ARE the answer. And besides that, there's no way to avoid pain. Tough stuff, huh? Cheers! Shelagh
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Post by Falion on Apr 8, 2005 19:25:31 GMT -5
This inqury is a bit on, and off topic, please excuse my disseminating thought...I highly recommend the flick "I heart (pic of a heart)Huckabees" .......please watch..I feel a coming revolution through the entertainment biz of philosophical and spiritual questioning, replacing the usual bullshit hollywood movies of the past few decades..romance, viloence, revenge, mystery etc...I mean, this stuff is entertaining, but I think with movies like "what the bLeep do we know", and the one i mentioned here ARE slowly opening minds! and creating a desire for more theatrical creations of this sort....I cannot help to feel that things will only get better amongst us, rather than worse...No ...let me rephrase that....I KNOW things will only get better...It starts with me...you.....I feel the slowly increasing momentum of strength in my soul changing my reality daily.....Its beautiful ..EVERY SECOND OF THIS !!!!!!!.......
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Post by eponine1971 on Apr 8, 2005 22:49:01 GMT -5
I don't think it's only Muslims, I think all narrow-minded religious people. And may I recommend Stigmata. That is an eye-openning movie that pretty much sums up my thoughts on God and religion.
"The kingdom of God is inside you and all around you. Not in buildings of wood or stone. Split a peice of wood and you will find me. Lift a stone and I am there."............... Gospel of St. Thomas------ Stigmata
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Post by Grave on Apr 9, 2005 8:41:07 GMT -5
Yea, I cannot say that just about every muslim would strictly adhere to religious teachings. Quite a possiblity that number of muslims like reading richard bach and are transforming much like any other growing soul on this planet.
Masses, be it any religion are least flexible. And each person is growing, if not today..then may be tomorrow...
We need to maintain love and openness
Grave(on air)
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Post by Bluebird on Apr 9, 2005 10:35:20 GMT -5
When I was in Tunisia I met this wonderful teacher of theology. He was of the young, "new" generation, and discussed for a long time about what he thought of his fellow muslims. He condemns drinking because "his God wishes him not to drink", but does not mind that we westerners drink. The wonderfully open message he gave was that we all should be brothers and sisters, no matter which religion. That you can be a good person no matter who your God is because there is only one God. It was so refreshing to hear such words after all the strict almost fundamentalist muslims I've met.
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Post by DEVLIN on Apr 9, 2005 23:37:18 GMT -5
ok the last few days ive been gone i have came up with some nice things to say but i will not. Most of my friends ask me whats been wrong and i say nothing is but they keep asking me. Now the thing is I can say that all of the time i was gone i lernd things that i needed so i can teach them to others like what it is to realy live in the moment life is to short so ask away!!!!
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Post by Grave on Apr 10, 2005 0:34:28 GMT -5
Dear friend, I'm glad that you are discovering truths faster. And may be i'll like to share this with you:
"We can 100% inspire, we cannot 100% be a perfect teacher. "
But also, we can teach the best what we need to learn the most : illusions ================================================================================
As a student I would keep in mind: Any person could be a great teacher to me and I just might be theirs someday
Beacause we are classmates
Grave(the less bright student)
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Post by Grave on Apr 10, 2005 0:45:04 GMT -5
It was so refreshing to hear such words after all the strict almost fundamentalist muslims I've met. Yes, it feels very nice. I went out for a business trip and this cab driver(a muslim) invited me to show the second most famous/believed Mosque of India (Tajju Masjid in Bhopal). He said that I should behave normally. It was a wonderful experience, to see eveything. Young kids of age 7 -12 were reciting enitre chapters of Quaran by heart, and the Sufi would hit them if they make a mistake. It was incredible. Thanks to the nice guy...because I am still alive
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Post by DEVLIN on Apr 11, 2005 0:08:00 GMT -5
i see my self at this box typing but at the same time Im still not here! Grave want to guess y
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Post by Grave on Apr 11, 2005 4:20:05 GMT -5
I can read your mind, but I can try to read your heart...
While you were typing, you were looking for a universall answer than all these posts, an answer that would anwer all
Grave(This what I am)
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 11, 2005 11:08:11 GMT -5
Accordin to "What in the Bleep do we (K)now,
At least my understanding of it after watching it 6 times, (and there is still more to bounce off of)
The observation of the electrons, surrounding the nucleus, within each atom, in the center of each cell, {hope I got the order right as I am not a physcist-(see, I can't even spell the word, rgt!)} is strange, wacky, weird.
Apparently, the electrons are visible and then some of them go away; and then reappear.
The question posed was where do they go when they are not here?
The possible answers to this were more questions. Do they go to another dimension within this universe? Do they in fact go to parallel universes? Is there another you in another universe/ dimension observing that electrons there are also disappearing and "reappearing?
Hmmmm.....Well, since the vehicles in which we reside are ALL (Thank-God, we all have something observed, and incontrovertibly in common)are made up of cells, well then, as I examine my own experience, part of the time I truly seem NOT to be here atal.
I (k)now that I "space out" all the time. In fact, sometimes I trip over my own feet, as I go to some place, to retrieve some information, which is seemingly delivered to me (interestingly enough) in a "flash of light", or incredible insight. (electrons reappearing?)
I wonder/wander, here, hmmm. Is it possible, that when/as I pose a question to the "universe within me"; I observe, that a part of me actually goes outside of my internal physical universe in search of the answer, myself? Am I becoming consciously awake, aware of this process?
If so, then are we truly are multi-dimensional electronic light beings after all?
Am I creating a new body, (of sorts) in another dimension as a vehicle within which I have the ability to traverse that dimension? I mean, it is alluring; that place which "seems" to deliver such incredible insights to me here in my brain, within this dimension. I mean it is tempting to "be there", "stay there", as I have not found the material world in this dimension to have the capability of offering me the peace of the otter sunning himself upon the rock. Unfortunately, due to my own internal conflict, I have not had the ability to allow manifested nature to present to me the secrets of its' internal life. My expectations are so high! Periodically, and only briefly, I have "seen" the very cellular movement within the leaves of trees. I long for more of that immediacy of commonality among the natural life upon the planet, and myself. Maybe then I would not feel so alone.
Are these the mansion worlds that the teachings speak of? In fact if they are, then how wonderful it is to visit them, and basque in the nuturance therin.
Are these the "heavens above" that have always been present and available to us here, if we choose to allow our good minds and pure spirits to acess them?
I know, that after reading Bahaullah's words, I began to flash in and out of this reality so fast and so frequently, that I had to slow the process down to be able to incorporate the retrieved information into my organism herein this dimension.
In great joy, and in pure spirit, trusting that others too had similar experiences, I came forward in spirit, expecting that I would encounter others like me within His manifested structure-The Bahai Faith-only to find and with Great Sadness I state that the individuals therein are still bringing forth distorted selves, interpreting the written word from this distorted perspective. In great joy, notwithstanding great trepidation, I offered the light that I became, to them, and they saw it not. Not only did they not "see" it; however, with increased vigor they spewed out of their mouths their distorted views, thus mortally wounding the light that I AM, the combined light of the RESOURCES (going back to the Source Itself) that I consulted with in these high mansions. I was asked to "have patience" with them, and I tried. I failed, as I did not know how to protect myself. Why is it necesary to protect, hide, the Light of God?
And so, I ask myself, do I continue to read? Do I resume searching for that final flash that will transfer me to myself permanently residing in another realm, another dimension? If I do, the concern is, do I bring that seemingly final ENLIGHTENMENT back into my body here? Or if I let go there, do I stay there, and my body fails here? Or do I bring the ENLIGHTENMENT back here, and my body, the LIGHT RESIDING THERIN, ASCENDS? Or is there more work to be done here among the people of this dimension that can only be achieved via the probable protection of ENLIGHTENMENT ITSELF?
These are questions that I am pondering. I think I need to find the answers to these questions, maybe before I go again? Or is it, I need to go again, to find the answers there/here and if I truly lay down this body forever, here, then so be it. If I never come here again, than so be it. Maybe in hindsight I will have the ability to "see" the GLORY that was my life as a human. Maybe I will see that it was the quality of my life and the passion therin that had value.
That it wasn't how far I went in bodily achievement upon this planet, but the obstacles I overcame to come to this place that I AM that may possibly be judged as successful.
Well, here have strayed abit, but then, now, and forever upon this plane of existence IT HAS BEEN RECORDED.
Lizanne333.
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Post by DEVLIN on Apr 14, 2005 3:27:16 GMT -5
i was in a deep sleep one night and i started to dream whitch is odd for some one like me to do but the dream was of a great sound, voices of all the people that have helped along their paths. The voices were saking me what they should do next. Grave what do you think this means???
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