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Post by Edina on Apr 7, 2005 0:18:15 GMT -5
I've never read it, but bumped into it many times, when googling 'Illusions'. It seems to be the other way around, some of their leaders and sites promotes Illusions as "recommended reading".
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Post by Edina on Apr 7, 2005 0:28:58 GMT -5
Just checked again and in "A Letter to the Satanic Youth" (released in January 1998) their leader refers to 'Illusions' and writes the following: www.satanism101.com/youth.htmlThis is why it's posted on every satanic-related site.
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Post by LL on Apr 7, 2005 0:59:14 GMT -5
I truly do not understand the badgering of this person(church lady) for simply asking a question. There was no implied satanism or any thing of the like... it was simply a person seeing a similarity and posting a question. How this turned into a "manifesting of some hidden evil" is beyond me.
So I'll post a question to lizanne. It seems to me that individuals have the power to create their own illusion of reality in whatever form they choose. My illusion(nor any one else's if they so choose) does not include this collective that is hiding away in their minds, this evil or devil or whatever else you wish to call it. If they want to collectively create it in their illusion, so be it, because it will have no effect on mine. It will be out there in the quadrillion possible outcomes of life. If the fear is within an individual that this manifestation will occur, well, it seems that the individual is giving away their power over their own illusion and allowing others to dictate it for them. Propagating fear is the work of the church, and truly, these posts sound like sermons. And the clincher was the Oh okay, back to church I go with people telling me how to pray and what to pray for. I guess my problem with this is that there is no choice in the matter. Either you become enlightened and spill your mind out or this manifestation is going to occur. Sounds like repent or go to hell to me. I gave up on that a long long time ago seeing that it is nothing but fear based control. Is this what you are trying to tell me? That I am master of my illusion but others are going to create something evil in it? Without my consent?
Are you telling me that this is what you see in this individual? Really? I would have you or anyone else here re-READ the original post! It is a very, very simple question that has had individuals here bouncing up on the alter and judging this individual for deep down things that they themselves are reading into. Re-read it without any of your past experiences and you will see the simplicity of the question and not all of your own creations around it. It seems that you have discarded any source of information which, through the reading thereof, promises you enlightenment.
Whats so ridiculous about it? What, because it didn't say something that rang true to you? You know, this person came on here to ask a question and get some feedback. To call their question or any question for that matter ridiculous is pitiful IMO.
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Post by Bluebird on Apr 7, 2005 1:21:45 GMT -5
It seems to me that individuals have the power to create their own illusion of reality in whatever form they choose. My illusion(nor any one else's if they so choose) does not include this collective that is hiding away in their minds, this evil or devil or whatever else you wish to call it. If they want to collectively create it in their illusion, so be it, because it will have no effect on mine. It will be out there in the quadrillion possible outcomes of life. Lizanne and LL, I agree on that. I did not see Church Lady's question as anything else than a rethorical question, and that was also the meaning of my own question. I've been following this topic with interest, playing with thoughts. I am definitely not afraid of any possible hidden evil that would manifest itself, since, like LL so ingeniously put it, it will not affect my reality. I wouldn't express it quite as strongly as LL did, but I would like to make the same point. Asking is never wrong, and when a person asks something one can never be sure whether that person is a) lost, b) doubting or c) just curious.
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 7, 2005 1:26:52 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Thankyou Edina,
My mind wanders abit here.
What was this woman's MOTIVATION?
What in the world could possibly have crossed this woman's path to bring her to the crossroad where she, a Christian would be viewing Satanic Writings?
Isn't that a bit out of character?
She must have had a specific agenda, and not a very nice one either. Why would she go surfing on the internet looking at Satanic writings when she is a Christian? Was she in fact looking specifically for information to demonize RB and the writings of this forum?
If so, why would she want to do such a thing?
Did the writings of the forum disturb her, threaten her faith in some way, that led her to a location in herself that I would not want to touch?
Pondering, pondering.... Do I KNOW this woman?
Lizanne
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Post by Grave on Apr 7, 2005 1:44:09 GMT -5
Dear Friends
... Dear Friends ...
Thats all.... "Dear friends"
Grave
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Post by Bluebird on Apr 7, 2005 1:50:25 GMT -5
Dear Lizanne, take it easy. Everyone has the right to look at / read anything they want. Perhaps she, as a christian, wanted to get more perspective by getting to know the other side? I personally am not christian, but I'd be very interested in reading satanic texts, just to know what they really deal with and what are only rumors. I believe knowledge is always good, and I personally have an endless curiosity.
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Post by Grave on Apr 7, 2005 2:06:39 GMT -5
Just thought of all this again
We are free to do whever we want to do... Shimoda
Its not a war Gr
Even if we destroy this world, there are plenty others Shimoda
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 7, 2005 9:18:02 GMT -5
To All:
There is a history here that you all are not aware of. The story about what occurred is too lengthy to state. I know this woman, ok? Understand what I am saying?
To LL: With regard to the Tibetan Prayer. I was speaking to traditional Christians, and translated it for their benefit. In actuality the prayer translated directly to English states:
TO THE BUDDAH OF THREE AGES PLEASE REMOVE ALL OBSTACLES; OUTER, INNER AND HIDDEN. MAY OUR THOUGHTS BE TRUE SPONTANEOUSLY.
Such a simple timeless prayer. Actually, a fantastic tool for anyone, be you Christian, Budhist, or Agnostic.
As I am not allowed at this point to take the blueprint forward re: "How it works that manifested in physical form could be an unconscious hidden expectation",
let me show you an example:
Recently, I believe it was on OPB, or possibly the Discovery channel, there was a program investigating the Salem Witch Trials.
You will have to do your own investigation if you need to know what was done to women, men, whole families, and even their animals, right here in the USA.
A scientist, (woman) began to question the cause of such "manifestation" of paranormal, unusual behaviour among the people in the area that was equated to "Witchcraft, Devil Worship" and the like as viewed by the distorted, ignorant human beings of the Church of that day.
Upon careful examination of the area in which these events occured, it was discovered that there is a mold prevalent in the soil.
ERGOT!
Through further research and experimentation, it was noted that this mold grew upon the wheat, which was then ground into flour, and when ingested by the humans causes, hallucinations, visions, and depending upon how much was ingested even caused death.
I was blown away by this, and then I realized, why should you be so surprised, Lizanne, have you yourself not been caught in the crossfire of those who are parading as self-righteous-have THE answers people, whom you trusted, only to be attacked by a part of them that they were not aware of existing in them?
As a result of the perceived UNDERSTANDING of the time the Church saw the behaviours of the people in Salem, and made a determination that they were POSSESSED BY THE DEVIL, AND WERE USING WITCHCRAFT.
Need I fill in more information about what was done to these people who were seriously ill, physically, but since it was not understood at the time by either Science or the Church, they were burned at the stake!
This also ocurred in France, as well as other places in the world.
So, LL: you say this does not affect your reality. I say the potential for great harm to this planet, as well as the individuals thereupon are in danger of such activity.
Also, in Rome. When Rome burned. There is evidence that the fire may have started in one area, maybe accidentally by a fallen candle, but upon further current examination of the records, indicates that there were additional fires set. I believe this information was on the History channel. The bottom line is that the possibility exists that the Emperor DID NOT set the fire so that he could rebuild Rome, but that a group of Christians hoping to bring Christ back according to their understanding of the scriptures, that "Rome too must Fall" and then Christ will return, were hoping to bring about that event.
I can document more, if you like, however, take a look at our history, the history of the world and see it played out more and more.
The Great Inquisition, again, took innocent lives of individuals, that did not keep silent about what they knew. It is time for us to wake up and take a look at the events that are playing out upon this planet even now! And then it is not necessary for me to go further into explaining the blueprint of how it works to you, find out for yourselves.
My Root is Christian, believe it or not! But not the type that has the power to sway the vote of this country; or play out and hope for horrible events to occur upon this Earth that are not necessary; that borne of ignorance of the UNDERSTANDING of the message of Christ, without their realizing what they are doing, will in fact bring about more death and destruction to the Earth. This is not soley the Christians, but because of those who bring distorted minds to distorted dogma of ALL RELIGIONS, these things are occuring!
Peace unto all of the peoples of the Earth!
Lizanne
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Post by lizanne333 on Apr 7, 2005 10:30:03 GMT -5
Once again, consider the possible MOTIVATION of the individual. Look at the ensuing event of discussion.
Having been one of "them", I understand how they think.
I agree, this may be a projection of my own; however, it is here non-the-less.
I need to learn DISENTANGLEMENT
I need to learn DETACHMENT
However, I also have a responsibility to the TRUTH ITSELF; when opportunity presents itself to speak!
I am compelled to do so.
Lizanne
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Post by Falion on Apr 7, 2005 12:33:45 GMT -5
Lizane,
"Your" god that controls "your" destiny has NOTHING to do with me. Im 100 percent spritually content . It is a travesty that one implies the label "FEAR BASED INDIVIDUAL" to another...do you know me? DOnt be a fool lizane...Im not the one limited spiritually by an ancient book.
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Post by Falion on Apr 7, 2005 17:25:43 GMT -5
That was my opinion LL..Im not the type, even personally to beat around the bush. What you read is what i feel..plus it sparks, and creates more intellectual debates!,......to say my "question is pitiful" shows your limited views on others views..no question is pitiful LL, didnt your parents teach you that?!
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Post by LL on Apr 7, 2005 18:08:24 GMT -5
Lets get something straight right from the get go here. I said: that this will not effect my illusion of reality... not: my reality, there is a huge difference in these statements. It is this difference that causes you to believe that their is "potential for great harm to this planet... " My illusion of reality includes none of these things that you speak of. I create it as I go along... what I choose is what I see, that simple and that simple for everyone else. If you believe the collective conscience of hidden evils is going to effect the planet and its inhabitants then so be it for your illusion. And keep on believing it until you know it and I'll gurantee you are going to see what you are prophecizing here. But the fact remains the same, I will not. There are countless illusions of reality occuring right now... some are seeing hell here on earth others are seeing heaven, it is all perspective and what you choose. If you are stuck knowing that there is reality and that others can effect it without your consent then that is what you will see through your eyes. Its not wrong or negative in any way, its just where you choose to be. My problem is when people begin to propagate their message of fear around. It may be a message of love and peace but it is shrouded in a cloak of fear.
I choose to view history a bit differently I guess. In fact, I barely view it at all. What I do view is the present moment and what I am doing with it. Am I happy, sad, excited, bored? You can document all that you want, the fact remains that each individual on this planet and any other planet has the power to choose their illusion. How do you know the people of the salem witch trials didn't set it up that way? Before they even inhabited bodies? How do you know the emporer did or did not set the fire? Were you there when the inquisition was happeneing? All of your documentation is meaningless to me because it is all an interpretation of facts through one, or a couple at most, persons individual filter of perspective. I will rely on my own filter and watch my world change based on how I choose to angle it.
As am I
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Post by LL on Apr 7, 2005 18:22:50 GMT -5
I didn't say that your question was pitiful... You didn't even pose one. What I did say was, and I'll use the quote function of this board since others seem to just make up what others said:
To say that someones question is ridiculous shows your limited views on others views... no question is ridiculous falion, didn't your parents teach you that?
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Post by Falion on Apr 7, 2005 18:36:11 GMT -5
dont dwell LL....Im outspoken. dont get emotional.
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