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Post by Grave on Mar 3, 2005 2:38:15 GMT -5
Guys, tell me now, have your views as to what life is all bout changed within this short span of time? ? Or are you guys still having the same views? I mean, are we not learning daily? Cheers, Venu. Hi Venu, Thanks for this question. I'l try to keep it short: 1) Life is illusion: In this illusion we have 3 primary roles to choose from before we come to earth. a)To make mistakes(idea of hell) b)To Learn (in order to get over mistakes and grow-idea of heaven) c) For fun( To Teach-Souls like bhuddha, Jesus, Nanak etc-idea of divine) Most of all, these three ways step after step lead us towards the END(God or I or Is) Your and My life is- Simply roles of "I" for fun seems to be the all in all objective. BUT "FUN" cannot be something hat could be a NEED of "I", so- LIFE, my friend(I guess) hass no purpose. --------------- 2) On basis of reality: I stick to the option "b" for now.. my prupose here is to learn(if you say learn what?- To learn Love and difference between Truth & Reality) Thanks dear friend Grave (Easy on Life)
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Post by Grave on Mar 16, 2005 9:59:17 GMT -5
to know that there is no death?
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Post by LL on Mar 19, 2005 0:35:30 GMT -5
Life is all about its very self
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Post by Venu on Mar 19, 2005 1:16:00 GMT -5
Life is easy for those who take whatever comes to them easily, never questioning, never worrying about the implications of whatever they are doing, only focusssing on their imminent results...life is a lot easier for them. For those who analyse life and its course of action, for those who want to know everything beforehand, for those who question the wisdom of doing this or that, for those who seek a "meaning", for those who seek "eternal" or "lasting" peace or love....in short for those who question why there isn't this "ideal" anywhere in life, life will be difficult indeed. Both types of people are acceptable. One is doing Karma Yoga----they are just concentrating on the Karma that lies ahead of them, they don't think what will happen after 5 years down the line, they assume some things, sometimes they don't even assume anything, they just wanna finish this Karma, and move ahead. There will be more Karmas waiting for them till they die one day. They find their happiness in working. The other type, I think, believes in Jnana Yoga (Jnana=Wisdom or knowledge, you name it, the Truth). They don't accept anything that is written, proven. They don't agree with theories. They want to have the knowledge of the things they are dealing with. Whether it's science or romance, they will question every virtue, they will try all the vices, they will be happy to come back to square one, if needed. To start afresh. Their happiness is knowing things. The first sect belives in Work. The second in Knowledge. Both are right. Both are painful. In today's world, the first one dominates the pattern of life. The second one, if pursued seriously, will have drastic effects on normal life. Seeking "ideality" in this "relative" world will prove to be a difficult task. The first sect believes whatever it was said, and does the Karma. The second one believes nothing and wants to explore everything. Revisit every theory. Question every wisdom. Where are we standing? We don't even have to stand anywhere. Some people do fall in between these two sects. Work while working and think while thinking. I dunno. Difficult to characterize! If you are already working on something, the best way to be happy, or the best way not to remember sadness is just keep yourself busy. All the time. Shouldn't have enough time to think. About anything. No questions. No doubts. Of course, you can have technical doubts, you can ask question from to time. Related to your job. No questions like "Why am I doing this?" or "what am I going to achieve in this life?" Maybe you should ask "What will be my savings when I'm ready to get married?" "Will I be able to buy a car?" How many kids?....they will be useful in helping you carrying out your Karma successfully!
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Post by Venu on Mar 19, 2005 1:23:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses, and sometimes I felt disappointed when someone said "life was all about its self"..what did it mean? I am not sure, but anyway, I think life is all about whatever we want it to be (as someone said here before, thanks buddy!)
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Post by Grave on Mar 19, 2005 5:48:06 GMT -5
I am learning much about myself from what you wrote.
Should we stop trying because we see no end? In 'illusions’, the creatures that remained clung to rock fearing to be carried away by the strong river current and spent all their lives so, but one lets go of the fear of unknown.
Dear Venu, I too am overwhelmed, but the creature teaches to let go.
The practical questions like, "what would be my savings" and "how many kids" make sense and should be followed (are inevitable for those who believe). The true questions don’t mean to be followed. They are at your choice. If someone starts to think about the true questions like "Why and What for", its because that person has drawn these question near [that tiny creature already inspires her or him]
Three options to live life that I see, but haven't decided to choose
1) A practical life (the karma as you express) 2) A thoughtful life(and seek for answers to 'why and 'what' myself) 3) A Balanced life (getting me nowhere but may bring peace and happiness-settle for a compromise)
I can't decide, or may be I am already floating (too late?)
Grave (Puzzled by the nature of 'I')
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Post by Venu on Mar 19, 2005 11:37:00 GMT -5
There's nothing to stop or start. Just disassociate yourself mentally from the fruits of your actions. Keep asking those questions, but with a firm belief that you're gonna find them very soon.
As far as I am aware of, the Universe always responds to your sincere prayers and needs and questions. Knowingly or unknowingly we are all headed for our own destinies (that's what I believe, otherwise I am gonna crack right now!) The only prayer I have these days is this: "Please give me enough courage to face this all, and the wisdom to see thru..and now and then a promise that whatever I'm searching for is not that far away. Please guide me there. Nothing more, no cars to travel, no lovemaking, no bank accounts...I can travel, but please guide me as much as you can"
And, I believe, wanna believe, sooner or later I will find whatever I'm here for. This may suit anyone.
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Post by LL on Mar 19, 2005 13:36:19 GMT -5
Life just is. Its happening right here, right now. It has no vesting interest in what you do, how you do it, with whom you do it etc. It is just its very self (much like the bird in your other post).
"Whatever" you are searching for is not that far away, I think you should maybe define what that "whatever" is. At that point this prayer will produce that experience much like it is doing right now... having no focus on what it is you are searching for is producing the experience.
Believe nothing... do you believe that you have two eyes to read this? or do you know it? Know that you will find what you are here for.
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Post by Venu on Mar 19, 2005 13:40:39 GMT -5
Very interesting reply. I couldn't help smiling!
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Post by Grave on Mar 21, 2005 5:57:45 GMT -5
Believe nothing... do you believe that you have two eyes to read this? or do you know it? Know that you will find what you are here for. Most beautiful. The things that we think are-have no proof that they exist. The thoughts that we think about growth and answers, how can I verify that they are real ?(really coming from my soul-mind) Could thoughts be as fake as 'My' eyes? Am I thinking that I am thinking? Grave
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Post by Edina on Mar 21, 2005 11:57:54 GMT -5
Your questions reminded me of what Descartes said, "I am thinking, therefore I am" (Cogito, ergo sum.)
He stated, if his thought exists, then his mind exists. Which makes sense. I'm just not sure how he could have proven that it was his thought and mind, he was talking about. Did he only assume?
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Post by Grave on Mar 22, 2005 8:39:56 GMT -5
Your questions reminded me of what Descartes said, "I am thinking, therefore I am" (Cogito, ergo sum.) He stated, if his thought exists, then his mind exists. Which makes sense. I'm just not sure how he could have proven that it was his thought and mind, he was talking about. Did he only assume? I like to acknowledge what Descartes said. Yes it does make sense. He also said "Nothing is more valid than ones own mind" But may be he did assume. Wittgenstein's theory: "the criterion of correctness" indirectly opposes this though his main argument was against the “private language”. But what he said makes sense. He said: “How do I verify that I am (my experience) right?” he said “There has to be rule to remember or refer to a thing that is remembered. If I use a word ‘twinge’ for an experience called twinge, then I could make a mistake while using such word if I follow no rule (e.g. when twinge occurs). But if I follow a rule, it means there is no free mind but a program that is responsive. This means we simply react because it is fed. So, I am no different from a computer that is performs complex instructions through “if-then-else function”. And computers do no have mind because we know what it would do because we fed the procedure and options. He said: May be there is no mind, but just set of instruction stored that are followed. However, I still favor Descartes. I am aware, and a computer is not. But is my awareness just a program? The awareness isn’t really there? The only way according to Wittgenstein is to verify by a cross check “the criteria of correctness”. Since crosscheck of other mind’s experiences is not possible, one would not be able to validate any thought. I wish to stick with Descartes still Grave (this is sick)
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Post by LL on Mar 31, 2005 0:57:25 GMT -5
Maybe sick, but fun for sure ;D
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Post by ob1kenob on May 31, 2005 7:39:14 GMT -5
life is about...
paying attention
objects in mirror may be closer than they appear your mileage may vary
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Post by lizanne333 on May 31, 2005 8:48:23 GMT -5
ob1kenob says: What was that you said OB1=OH BE ONE? I wasn't payin.......................... -L
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